The Australian team - A disgrace to the game

[marc71178]

The aussie team can learn a whole lot from the WI team of the 70s and 80s.
They kept their arrogance on the field and not off of it despite being far more successful than the current aussies.

Erm, how exactly are they more successful?

 

[marc71178]

last 15 OZ vs IND tests have yeilded 7 wins for IND...thats almost 50%. Makes very poor ground to make 'belting' jibes, mate.

That's funny because looking at the last 15 games, I can see 8 Aussie wins and 3 draws...

 

[anzac]

Sort of off-topic here: I haven't read half of this thread but thought I'd note that it's kind of amusing that people, not just in cricket, consider 'black' or 'white' to be racist words. I know they aren't the only words used in most incidents on the cricket pitch, but sometimes they are. I always laugh when someone calls me white as if it's a bad thing. They may as well call me a brown haired and eyed white male human. I just laugh and say, yes, that is correct, I am indeed what you have called me.

damn straight - some people get too carried away with all this p.c. & need to get a healthy dose of reality / get a thick skin (I bet they are all the weedy kids that got dunked on turds day at High school!!!!!)

 

[C_C]

Pathan continued after being warned by the umpire, so it was a bit more of Pathan being done for being a prat and rightly so. At least McGrath has the sense to shut up when told.

Warned by the UMP ?
LOL.
Pathan shut right up and went back to the mark after being warned.

Akhtar Williams is nowhere near the same. Williams was running towards and looking at the gully fielder. Akhtar stood in the middle of the pitch looking at Hayden and made three double handed gestures to the pavillion.

except that Williams ran towards the gully fielder AFTER standing half a foot from ganguly and screaming in his face while pointing towards the dressing room.
Even some of your aussie mates here thought that it was unbelievable he got away with it.

I know you will never accept anything other than it is biased towards the Australians but it does bring out all the little things that you have scraped up and collected to make a molehill and from there you made a mountain. WELL DONE C_C !!!

no mate this isnt making a mountain outta a molehill.
These are valid examples being quoted by fans all around the world.
If jealosy is the reason due to aussie success, that doesnt explain the IMMENSELY POPULAR WI team of the 70s/80s or the immensely popular bradman's invincibles.
This team has serious attitude issues..to a point where CA took the unprecedented step of admitting that OZ players need to improve their on-field behaviour. No worse indictment of aussie sledging has come than from Gavaskar during his speech.
Making a mountain outta a molehill is to threaten to break off the empire due to a piddly lil game of cricket.

Erm, how exactly are they more successful?

Because most of what OZ team of recent times have achieved, WI team had achieved equal to or more.
3 consecutive world cup finals with 2 wins and 1 loss ? been there done that.
Unbeaten 13 year span in cricket < oz team of recent times arnt even halfway there>.
Unbeaten in 28 or 29 series straight < oz team of recent times arnt even close>
One series loss in 19 year of cricket <1981 NZ > between 1976 and 1994.
OZ team is nowhere close.

Like i said, the only thing the OZ team has over the WI of the past is consecutive matches won.
Thats about it.

That's funny because looking at the last 15 games, I can see 8 Aussie wins and 3 draws...

Err apologies. I was thinking start of BG trophy....not last 15.

anyways, since BG trophy started, this is the rec:

Series: 6
IND: 3
AUS:2
Draw:1<IND retains>

Matches: 18
IND: 7
AUS: 8
Draw: 3

like i said, flimsy grounds for 'belting' jibes.

with that, gnite and cya later.

 

[Slow Love™]

You go off to bed and when you wake up it will all be there for you, goodnight.

Haha, yeah. As I thought.

 

[Slow Love™]

Sort of off-topic here: I haven't read half of this thread but thought I'd note that it's kind of amusing that people, not just in cricket, consider 'black' or 'white' to be racist words. I know they aren't the only words used in most incidents on the cricket pitch, but sometimes they are. I always laugh when someone calls me white as if it's a bad thing. They may as well call me a brown haired and eyed white male human. I just laugh and say, yes, that is correct, I am indeed what you have called me.

Are you and anzac referring to Lehmann's racial slur? If so, you need to understand better what racism is - it's discrimination/denigration based on race or color. So if I call someone a "c_nt", that's one thing - but if I call them a "black c_nt", I've introduced their color as part of the insult - which is racist by definition.

It has nothing to do with political correctness.

 

[Scallywag]

Haha, yeah. As I thought.

I thought I spelt it out pretty clearly Slow Love.

A lot of players have been reported for swearing and showing dissent when out but its the Indian players that have been the worst. i.e. both Tendulkar and Dravid have been caught cheating during the game by altering the condition of the ball.


Virender Sehwag,
Harbhajan Singh,
Deep Dasgupta,
Shiv Sunder Das
Ganguly
All these players have been found guilty of trying to intimidate an umpire

Ganguly
Breach of Code 2 after gesturing and speaking to Sri Lankan batsman after he had dismissed him. Found guilty

Harbhajan Singh
Breach of Code 2.9 – the player directed foul and abusive language at the umpire.

Ganguly
Breach of Code 1.3 - Showing dissent at an umpire’s decision by action or verbal abuse

Irfan Pathan
Breach of Code 2.5 - Inappropriate and deliberate physical contact between Players in the course of play

Virender Sehwag
Breach of Code 2.2 Showing serious dissent at an Umpire’s decision by action or verbal abuse

Irfan Pathan
Breach of Code C1 - Players and/or Team Officials shall at all times conduct play within the spirit of the game as well as within the Laws of Cricket and the captains are responsible at all times for ensuring that this is adhered to

Sourav Ganguly
Breach of Code C1 at Level 2 - Players and/or Team Officials shall at all times conduct play within the spirit of the game as well as within the Laws of Cricket and the captains are responsible at all times for ensuring that this is adhered to.


So as you can see there is cheating, intimidating the umpires, physical violence and serious bad language from the Indians. No other country has a record that bad.

 

[Slow Love™]

So as you can see there is cheating, intimidating the umpires, physical violence and serious bad language from the Indians. No other country has a record that bad.

You've shown me that there are Indians that have behaved badly. If that was your only claim, then that would be fine. But you said it was a FACT that they've transgressed more than Australians have. Now you've gone even further, and claimed that NO other country has a record as bad. Publishing these Indian charges again and again doesn't come close to what I asked of you.

Now DO YOU have some comparitive stats to back up your claim, or not? This is one of the worst stonewalling attempts I've ever seen.

If you have it, produce it. Like I've said, it could be true, (even if the report this year put South Africa and Pakistan ahead of them) - but if you want to make such an argument and present it as fact, you'd better have something other than "here are some Indians that got reported."

 

[Scallywag]

Here are some more for you slow love



Virender Sehwag
Breach of Codes 3 & 4, showing excessive actions and reactioins to the 'not out' decision, and attempting to intimidate the Umpire by charging him. Found guilty and fined

Sourav Ganguly
Breach of Codes 1 & 2, failing to uphold his responsibility as Captain for the spirit of the game, including failure to control the conduct of his players, thereby bringing the game into disrepute. Found guilty and received a one Test match and two ODI matches suspended suspension

Sachin Tendulkar
Breach of Code 2, alleged interference with the match ball, thereby changing its condition. Found guilty of bringing the game into disrepute. Fined 75% of match fee and suspended suspension of one Test match.,

Sourav Ganguly
Breach of Code 3. Upon being given out LBW by Umpire Gamina Silva he raised his bat and left the pitch shaking his head. Found guilty of dissent

Saurav Ganguly
Breach of Code 2,3 & 4 – showing dissent several times towards umpire Sathe.

Rahul Dravid
Breach of Code 2.10 - Changing the condition of the ball in breach of Law 42.3

 

[Scallywag]

You've shown me that there are Indians that have behaved badly. If that was your only claim, then that would be fine. But you said it was a FACT that they've transgressed more than Australians have. Now you've gone even further, and claimed that NO other country has a record as bad. Publishing these Indian charges again and again doesn't come close to what I asked of you.

Now DO YOU have some comparitive stats to back up your claim, or not? This is one of the worst stonewalling attempts I've ever seen.

If you have it, produce it. Like I've said, it could be true, (even if the report this year put South Africa and Pakistan ahead of them) - but if you want to make such an argument and present it as fact, you'd better have something other than "here are some Indians that got reported."

The fact is India have the worst behavoir record than any other nation.
Ganguly has to be the most undisiplined captain to play cricket judging by his record.

 

[Slow Love™]

Here are some more for you slow love

Virender Sehwag
Breach of Codes 3 & 4, showing excessive actions and reactioins to the 'not out' decision, and attempting to intimidate the Umpire by charging him. Found guilty and fined

Sourav Ganguly
Breach of Codes 1 & 2, failing to uphold his responsibility as Captain for the spirit of the game, including failure to control the conduct of his players, thereby bringing the game into disrepute. Found guilty and received a one Test match and two ODI matches suspended suspension

Sachin Tendulkar
Breach of Code 2, alleged interference with the match ball, thereby changing its condition. Found guilty of bringing the game into disrepute. Fined 75% of match fee and suspended suspension of one Test match.,

Sourav Ganguly
Breach of Code 3. Upon being given out LBW by Umpire Gamina Silva he raised his bat and left the pitch shaking his head. Found guilty of dissent

Saurav Ganguly
Breach of Code 2,3 & 4 – showing dissent several times towards umpire Sathe.

Rahul Dravid
Breach of Code 2.10 - Changing the condition of the ball in breach of Law 42.3

LOL. It's obvious I'm wasting my time here - perhaps you just don't know what the word "comparitive" means. Here's a clue, mate - to present one side as worse than another (or worse than anybody), you need to quote BOTH (or all) their records - even just a summary of totals would do. Endlessly quoting one side's stats (some of which may well be duplicates, because you're not providing dates) doesn't cut it.

Believe it or not, I am just asking a genuine question - I would like to know. When you present something as a fact, I would expect that you do know, and can produce something to show it. Obviously I am mistaken, and you don't actually know for sure.

IMO, I think it's probably actually pretty close between South Africa, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Australia and India over the years. Some of us are actually interested in the truth of the matter, at least in terms of actual penalties, rather than this lame "your team is worse / no, YOUR team is worse!" ranting.

 

[Scallywag]

IMO, I think it's probably actually pretty close between South Africa, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Australia and India over the years. Some of us are actually interested in the truth of the matter, at least in terms of actual penalties, rather than this lame "your team is worse / no, YOUR team is worse!" ranting.

Well I'm glad you agree with me when I tell C_C that Australia is no worse in behavoir than India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and South Africa.

 

[Scallywag]

Stats

Players altering the condition of the ball
India 2
AUS 0

Players intimidating the umpire
India 5
AUS 0

Players swearing
India 11
AUS 11

Well Slove Love the stats definately back up my claims.

 

[Slow Love™]

Well I'm glad you agree with me when I tell C_C that Australia is no worse in behavoir than India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and South Africa.

I can't agree with you, because I don't know for sure. It could be the case that Australia is WAY worse, or that Sri Lanka trumps them all, for all I know. I acknowledge that I'm guessing, based on what I've read back in March, rather than stating I know it for a fact - which is what you're doing, without any evidence to support it (hell, you couldn't even get the findings of the report earlier this year right, and I suspect you didn't actually read it).

That's the point, and is exactly why I'm interested in the stats on the subject. Which you don't seem to know, or be able to provide.

 

[Slow Love™]

Stats

Players altering the condition of the ball
India 2
AUS 0

Players intimidating the umpire
India 5
AUS 0

Players swearing
India 11
AUS 11

Well Slove Love the stats definately back up my claims.

This looks selective - where are all the other types of offences? Also, weren't Glenn McGrath and Slater found guilty of intimidating the umpire at some stage?

Either way, show us a source for this.

 

[Slow Love™]

I also wouldn't mind seeing dissent, inappropriate conduct, failure of a captain to control his players, sendoffs (however that's interpreted), etc.

And seeing how the other teams line up, given that you said India were worse than anybody, wouldn't be bad, either. Maybe we're actually going to start getting somewhere here, although I somehow doubt it.

 

[Scallywag]

This looks selective - where are all the other types of offences? Also, weren't Glenn McGrath and Slater found guilty of intimidating the umpire at some stage?

Either way, show us a source for this.

err that was a joke SL

They dont keep stats on these things as far as I know. But as you have read the reports which are accessible on the ICC website you will see that India have been reported for lots of different things from tampering with the ball to physical abuse, verbal abuse, dissent, intimidation, slow play and not playing within the spirit of the game.

No other country has transgressed the rules in so many areas. Feel free to go ahead and prove me wrong.

 

[Slow Love™]

err that was a joke SL

They dont keep stats on these things as far as I know.

Haha, so you just made that shìt up??? Damn, I've had you pegged from the beginning. Expect to be reported to the ICC for time-wasting.

Seriously though, if you're going to present something as fact, do some actual friggin' research. The onus isn't on me to prove you wrong, if I'm asking a question about the truth of your assertion, particularly when I allow for the possibility that it might be true. It's up to you to either back it up or stay away from phrases like "it's a fact" when you don't actually know for sure.

 

[Scallywag]

. But unless more examples are provided, OZ still get the 'discredit' for being the most uncouth ones on the field in terms of frequency. Remember Lehmann's highly racist 'f*cking monkeys' comment ?
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Slow Love

I have proven this statement to be false with the frequency of India's appalling behavoir. So unless you have some facts you want to show I think you have nothing to add to this discussion.

Indian players have the worst record of any team and that cant be denied, you have accepted Australia as the worst just because McGrath said fook but fail to acknowlege the disgusting record of the Indian team.

Ganguly is not only a poor ambassador for the game, he also fails to play in the spirit of the game, Tendulkar and Dravid are cheats and that has been proven, Sehwag has a foul mouth and also cant accept umpires decisions. Pathan is also another foul mouthed Indian who not only berates unpires but has also physically abused opposing players.

Thats the facts man its just you wont open your eyes.

 

[C_C]

I have proven this statement to be false with the frequency of India's appalling behavoir. So unless you have some facts you want to show I think you have nothing to add to this discussion.

Incorrect. All you've shown is that IND players have been reported moer frequently than OZ in the recent times.
But the frequency of incidents are still in favour of OZ and it shows that there is one rule for OZ and another for rest.
apparently sehwag glaring at the umpire for being robbed is worhty of a fine. But Warne's uncouth behaviour of geticulating and saying 'LOOK AT THE SCREEN' is not guilty of any violations.
THESE are double standards. So number of times reported is irrelevant. Incidents are what matters and OZ have about 3 incidents to 1 for every other nation.

Ganguly is not only a poor ambassador for the game, he also fails to play in the spirit of the game, Tendulkar and Dravid are cheats and that has been proven, Sehwag has a foul mouth and also cant accept umpires decisions. Pathan is also another foul mouthed Indian who not only berates unpires but has also physically abused opposing players.

Ganguly is just about as poor an ambasador as mr bar room brawler Ponting...
Warne and Mark Waugh are cheats - except mark waugh got away with it. Brad Williams, McGrath,Warne, Lehmann etc. are far more foul mouthed than the ones you listed but unlike the aussies, they dont get away with their transgressions.