The Australian team - A disgrace to the game

[Scallywag]

which is why i said one rule for the aussies and another for the rest.
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What a stupid statement. Try telling that to Lehman.

Australians dont behave as bad as the Indians and that is why more Indians have been reported than Australians and the facts are there for everyone to read.

 

[C_C]

What a stupid statement. Try telling that to Lehman.

Australians dont behave as bad as the Indians and that is why more Indians have been reported than Australians and the facts are there for everyone to read.

reporting has been inconsistent and i am NOT the only one nor are the Indians only one to say that- some aussies admit that too.

And try telling what to lehmann ? that he was the luckiest dude ever to get away with a racist remark ?
He is lucky he didnt get a one year suspension because of it.

 

[Scallywag]

which is why i said one rule for the aussies and another for the rest.
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The facts are more Indian players have been reported than Australian players because the Indian players contravine the laws more than the Australians and that is a FACT.

Blaming the authorities is a poor excuse for Indias bad behavoir.

 

[Scallywag]

reporting has been inconsistent and i am NOT the only one nor are the Indians only one to say that- some aussies admit that too.

And try telling what to lehmann ? that he was the luckiest dude ever to get away with a racist remark ?
He is lucky he didnt get a one year suspension because of it.

So now you are saying that the ICC lets Australia get away with things that they wont let other teams get away with.

Australians are the worst players.
There is one law for Australia and one for others.
Indian players are treated worse than other nations.

I think I know where you are going with this.
You think its unfair that Australia is the best team because India is kept in check to allow Australia to be winners, am I right.

 

[C_C]

The facts are more Indian players have been reported than Australian players because the Indian players contravine the laws more than the Australians and that is a FACT.

Blaming the authorities is a poor excuse for Indias bad behavoir.

You seem to believe that if authorities have taken a certain line of action, it MUST be right and that is a categoric proof of guilt/not guilt.
Ie, if the authorities didnt report it, its not a crime and if the authorities did, it must be one.
That leads me to a few questions.

In 1932 <courtesy statscan>, New York City had 4277 reported assaults against blacks by whites and 1927 assaults against whites by blacks.

Out of the 4277 cases, only 74 yeilded a guilty verdict. out of the 1927 cases, 'only' 1899 yelided a guilty verdict.
Were the authorities right ?


The authorities in australia, in 1910s and 20s, decreed that aboriginal populace must live seggregated from the white populace for they were inferior in breed.
Were they right ?

The authorities in South Africa, in 1970s and 80s, deemed that blacks were inferior to whites. Were the authorities right ?

You assume that the 'authorities' are infallible. Therefore, what they report must be crimes and what they dont cannot be. Which is stupid to say the least, considering that authorities have been shown to be fallible in countless cases.

however, when ACTUAL INSTANCES of bad behaviour are examined, THIS aussie crop wins the race by a country mile over any other nation.

 

[C_C]

So now you are saying that the ICC lets Australia get away with things that they wont let other teams get away with.

Australians are the worst players.
There is one law for Australia and one for others.
Indian players are treated worse than other nations.

I think I know where you are going with this.
You think its unfair that Australia is the best team because India is kept in check to allow Australia to be winners, am I right.

again, complete bold-faced LIES and putting words in my mouth- a typical fanatic tactic.

I never said OZ are the worst players- i clearly said that this team is one of the greatest to take the field.
I AM saying that when it comes to code of conduct's enforcement, there is one rule for the aussies and another for the rest.
I am NOT saying that IND gets treated worse than other nations in the abovementioned category- i am saying that ALL nations get treated worse than the OZ.
Just watch the proceedings. NZ have complained and the list is growing.


And i NEVER said and nor do i think that its unfair that OZ are the best...
I did NOT take anything away from their cricketing achievements...didnt say a WORD about that. Its about the behaviour of players....THAT is what i am talking about.
You'r really getting desperate to derail the convo.

 

[Scallywag]

You seem to believe that if authorities have taken a certain line of action, it MUST be right and that is a categoric proof of guilt/not guilt.
Ie, if the authorities didnt report it, its not a crime and if the authorities did, it must be one.
That leads me to a few questions.

In 1932 <courtesy statscan>, New York City had 4277 reported assaults against blacks by whites and 1927 assaults against whites by blacks.

Out of the 4277 cases, only 74 yeilded a guilty verdict. out of the 1927 cases, 'only' 1899 yelided a guilty verdict.
Were the authorities right ?


The authorities in australia, in 1910s and 20s, decreed that aboriginal populace must live seggregated from the white populace for they were inferior in breed.
Were they right ?

The authorities in South Africa, in 1970s and 80s, deemed that blacks were inferior to whites. Were the authorities right ?

You assume that the 'authorities' are infallible. Therefore, what they report must be crimes and what they dont cannot be. Which is stupid to say the least, considering that authorities have been shown to be fallible in countless cases.

however, when ACTUAL INSTANCES of bad behaviour are examined, THIS aussie crop wins the race by a country mile over any other nation.

So now you are saying the ICC is racist against asians and/or blacks. (Going by your examples of blacks being treated different)

Are you also calling the Australian cricket team racist against Asians and/or black aswell?.

 

[Slow Love™]

The facts are more Indian players have been reported than Australian players because the Indian players contravine the laws more than the Australians and that is a FACT.

Do you actually have stats on this, or are you just operating off a hunch (or worse - making it up)?

IIRC, figures I saw earlier in the year said that South Africa and Pakistan were the worst misconduct offenders, with India and Australia equal second. It might have changed since, though.

 

[C_C]

So now you are saying the ICC is racist against asians and/or blacks. (Going by your examples of blacks being treated different)

Are you also calling the Australian cricket team racist against Asians and/or black aswell?.

Your understanding skills require a huge upgrade.
Just because i picked instances of racism as an example doesnt mean i am calling them a racist. Do i have to spell everything out for you. ?
How can i be calling ICC racist if i say that there's one rule for the aussies and another for the rest ??? Is OZ the only nation of a particular race to play cricket ?
I would be alluding to race if i said 'there is one rule for OZ,RSA,ENG and NZ and another for the rest'.
For that is clearly dividing the argument along race lines and implying racism.

What my above examples were meant to show to you is that authorities arnt infallible and arnt perfectly fair in MANY MANY cases...and the INSTANCES and ACTUAL happenings in those instances, irrelevant whether they get reported or not, implies that OZ gets off scot free for what other nations pay for.

SIGH.
i'll keep it simple with you from now on.

 

[Son Of Coco]

how many were penalised in that particular incident is irrelevant. They had standing orders from BCCI....thus they were not accountable.
And McGrath is one i mentioned.
There is gillchrist, slater, Lehmann,Brad Williams, etc etc.

As per what BCCI told ICC, that is clearly off topic...the topic is THE PLAYERS. BCCI doesnt qualify.

Apart from McGrath though you seem to be looking at what were mainly one-off incidents!

What did Gilchrist do again that deserves to be held up to such harsh criticism? I missed whatever Williams is supposed to have done too as I was away at the time so you'll have to refresh my memory.

I'm not about to say that the Australian team are a bunch of angels, but in describing them as the worst I think you might being taking a little bit of poetic license on what you describe as terrible behaviour and what is just 'boys being boys'.

 

[Scallywag]

Do you actually have stats on this, or are you just operating off a hunch (or worse - making it up)?

IIRC, figures I saw earlier in the year said that South Africa and Pakistan were the worst misconduct offenders, with India and Australia equal second. It might have changed since, though.

I read through the reports for the last two years earlier this year and Ganguly dominated the list.

The only thing made up is that there is a law for Australia and one for the rest. That would have to be the biggest cop out so far.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Isn't this fun?

 

[Scallywag]

What my above examples were meant to show to you is that authorities arnt infallible and arnt perfectly fair in MANY MANY cases...and the INSTANCES and ACTUAL happenings in those instances, irrelevant whether they get reported or not, implies that OZ gets off scot free for what other nations pay for.

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No you are wrong, none of those examples shows in any way that the decisions made by the umpires and match referees were biased against or for any team. You have not provided any facts that show that Australia get preferential treatment from anybody.

 

[Son Of Coco]

actually they dont. I watched IND-PAK in PAK and MOST player sledges were audible by stump mic. Comments were like 'so did ya learn how to bat or swat flies ?/ are ya bowling or are ya begging ?/Shall i come to bowl again ?' etc etc.

I watched the WI-RSA encounter in RSA and the worst comment was by nel who said 'get off the damn pitch!' after dismissing a WI batsman.

I watched the NZ series vs IND in NZ and the worst sledge was by McMillan to tendy <upon bouncing him a few times> "so your bat's not big enough, huh?"

Only the current OZ team have taken the sledging to utter crudeness and crassness.

and like i explained to benchmark in another thread, the burden of proof lies with the one arguing the point. I've substantiated my accusation with McGrath's quotes.
if you are arguing that other country's players do so, provide proof.

Well, for a start there's Brandes saying to McGrath 'cause everytime I ****ed your wife she gave me a biscuit' when he asked him why he was so fat'...............Smith saying to Hughes 'we make quite a pair Merv, I can't ****ing bat and you can't ****ing bowl' etc etc. If you go looking for it the crudeness is there everywhere to be found........if it offends that much that is.

 

[Slow Love™]

I read through the reports for the last two years earlier this year and Ganguly dominated the list.

But Ganguly was only cited once in that period, for slow over-rates. Akhtar had three charges, Gilchrist and Andrew Hall two.

Are you sure you actually read these reports?

 

[C_C]

No you are wrong, none of those examples shows in any way that the decisions made by the umpires and match referees were biased against or for any team. You have not provided any facts that show that Australia get preferential treatment from anybody.
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I have in another thread i started, where ya went off moaning after a few folks agreed with me.
backed by facts and actual happenings.

Well, for a start there's Brandes saying to McGrath 'cause everytime I ****ed your wife she gave me a biscuit' when he asked him why he was so fat'...............Smith saying to Hughes 'we make quite a pair Merv, I can't ****ing bat and you can't ****ing bowl' etc etc. If you go looking for it the crudeness is there everywhere to be found........if it offends that much that is.

both were in responses - McGrath asking 'why are you so F*ckin fat' and Merv saying 'you cant F*cking bat'.

 

[Scallywag]

But Ganguly was only cited once in that period, for slow over-rates. Akhtar had three charges, Gilchrist and Andrew Hall two.

Are you sure you actually read these reports?

Ganguly has three reports for this year alone.

 

[Scallywag]

I have in another thread i started, where ya went off moaning after a few folks agreed with me.
backed by facts and actual happenings..

Yeah well in another thread I proved that the Aussies get treated worse than the other teams.

both were in responses - McGrath asking 'why are you so F*ckin fat' and Merv saying 'you cant F*cking bat'.

Thats what you call a bare faced lie C_C when you change what someone said. McGrath never said F*cking to Brandes.

 

[C_C]

Thats what you call a bare faced lie C_C when you change what someone said. McGrath never said F*cking to Brandes.

I've read instances where the word F*cking has been kept in and instances where it has been edited out.

Yeah well in another thread I proved that the Aussies get treated worse than the other teams.

care to point it out to me ?

Besides, you were not able to challenge the facts i presented in that thread of mine.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Come on folks. Let's use a more ambiguous expression of everyone's favourite "f" word.