The Australian team - A disgrace to the game

[Scallywag]

debate on the points presented and stop personal attacks.
Just remember that two can play this game.



back up your claim with FACTS.
Show me a sledge by a non-aussie player in the last 10 years that matches 'what does lara's d*ck tastes like' and 'i'll rip yer f*ckin throat off'.

Latif to Gilchrist

Hussain to Murali

 

[duffer]

Latif to Gilchrist

Hussain to Murali

If what Gilly said was true, Latif getting off was disgraceful.

What did Nasser say to Murali anyway? Isn't Nass also of Asian origin anyway so what could he have said that was so offensive.

 

[sir middle stump]

Latif to Gilchrist

retracted by Gilchrist later.

Hussain to Murali

what happened there ?

 

[vic_orthdox]

if i were playing cricket against an angry fast bowler, and he had me on the ropes, or we were going hard at it against each other, and it was a good battle, i would be disappointed if he didn't say words to the effect of "i'll rip your f***ing throat out". what happened to the idea that you play it hard out on the ground, and then all good mates off it? - which does seem to still be prevalent in international cricket.

EDIT: it does not seem to be encouraged in these forums, where everyone must rely solely upon their physical skills to dismiss a batsman.

and C_C, i wouldn't be holding merv hughes up as the glamour boy of nice sledging. he did make some fantastic calls, but i reckon he would have said many a line much worse than the above mentioned.

 

[Scallywag]

retracted by Gilchrist later.

For some reason there was no desire for the governing bodies to take this serious.

what happened there ?

Hussian openly told Murali what he thought of his bowling.

 

[C_C]

Latif to Gilchrist

and gilly retracted it later....

what happened there ?

Hussain said to Murali when he came out to bat 'yer a f*ckin cheat'.
Yep. pretty crass and crude. definately in the McGrath alley. But unless more examples are provided, OZ still get the 'discredit' for being the most uncouth ones on the field in terms of frequency. Remember Lehmann's highly racist 'f*cking monkeys' comment ?

like i said before, what about the one on mcgraths wife????? thats incredibly bad, i mean she has cancer

Aye it was pretty distateful but it was well deserved. If you dont want no shyte, dont start no shyte. McGrath started it and thereby made it an open ballgame. Plus in the caribbean, just about the worst thing you can say to a straight man is that he is gay. So if McGrath is gonna squeeze where it hurts the most, Sarwan was definately in the right to respond in kind.

haha aussies dont need ponting to belt india it seems....

just like IND doesnt need Kumble to belt the Aussies...remember 2001 ?
last 15 OZ vs IND tests have yeilded 7 wins for IND...thats almost 50%. Makes very poor ground to make 'belting' jibes, mate.

 

[sir middle stump]

Hussian openly told Murali what he thought of his bowling.

That he considered him a chucker ? That is hardly comparable to gutter language.

 

[C_C]

For some reason there was no desire for the governing bodies to take this serious.

once the accuser withdraws the charge, the court has no say.
Not so in McGrath-Sarwan case.

 

[Scallywag]

Its pretty stupid when you think about it though, C_C is trying to say Australia is not as good as the WI of the 70's and 80's because of something McGrath said to Sarwan 2 years ago (who both later said there is nothing in it).

If you want to talk about disgusting teams then look no futher than India, remember what they did in South Africa. Not abiding by the umpires decision is the worst kind of behavior imaginable. Then you have the ball tampering by Tendulkar and Dravid. Ganguly is the most reported player I can think of and thats not a good example for a captain to set. And when it comes to match fixing it allways ends up back with India. C_C you need to look at India before you go claiming that Australians are disgusting.

 

[Scallywag]

That he considered him a chucker ? That is hardly comparable to gutter language.

f*cking cheating chucker to be more precise. But hey these things are like chinese whispers and only C_C takes them to heart.

 

[C_C]

Its pretty stupid when you think about it though, C_C is trying to say Australia is not as good as the WI of the 70's and 80's because of something McGrath said to Sarwan 2 years ago (who both later said there is nothing in it).

Incorrect.
they both said they dont hold any grudges and its behind them.
That is NOT the same as withdrawing the accusations.

Its not just what McGrath said to Sarwan..its Lehmann's racist outburst, Brad Williams' uncouth behaviour etc etc....the propensity of it certainly lies with the current OZ team.

If you want to talk about disgusting teams then look no futher than India, remember what they did in South Africa. Not abiding by the umpires decision is the worst kind of behavior imaginable.

another bold-faced lie.
The Mike Denness affair was BCCI vs ICC. The IND players played the match and they conducted themselves well.

Then you have the ball tampering by Tendulkar and Dravid.

In Tendulkar's case, ICC later said that it was a very harsh penalty and exonerated him. Dravid's ball tampering ? aye. give you that.
What about Warne's cheating by breaking the drug rules ?

Ganguly is the most reported player I can think of and thats not a good example for a captain to set.

about 90% of which are debatable reportings and due to slow over rates. That is not an attitude problem- i am talking about attitude problem here. Stay on topic please.

And when it comes to match fixing it allways ends up back with India. C_C you need to look at India before you go claiming that Australians are disgusting.

Considering that the matchfixing lynchpin was Cronje and that Warne and Mark Waugh were involved as well, thats a clear misrepresentation.
IND may be the nexus central in terms of match-fixing haven.
But that is irrelevant to THE PLAYERS AND THE CONDUCT OF THE PLAYERS.

You are trying hard to stray this topic...but this is about the CONDUCT of the players......in which the CURRENT OZ TEAM are deplorable.

 

[Slow Love™]

The term "anti-australian" ought to be added to the board censor. Like "anti-american", it's the refuge of simpletons, bigots and asshats.

Come to think of it, asshat should be added to the censor too. But if we could leave asswagon, that would be cool.

 

[Scallywag]

Have a look at the reported players, lots of Indian players, more than the Australians.

The Indian players displayed the most disgusting behavoir ever witnessed on the field in South Africa. Ganguly thinks he can flout the laws of cricket and the team will cheat by tampering with the ball. That is the cold hard facts.

Not to metion Ganguly will public berate pitch curators if they dont follow his instructions and will do everything to get the pitch curator to prepare a below standard pitch to bring the quality of cricket down to a level India can compete in. And I remember Ganguly falsely claiming a catch that not only came off Gillys hip it also bounced two feet in front of Ganguly.

 

[sir middle stump]

ahem ......Slater 2001 in India, first test. Bogus catch claimed as taken. Ring a bell?

Ponting whinging to daddy CA about a certain pitch which blew away any chance he had of claiming even a little credit for the teams victory in India...whole conviniently ignoring a pitch for a game vs Sri Lanka in Australia not so long ago....

Gillespie whinging about the tracks in Australia for the 2003-04 series vs India as being flat...guess Aussies are allowed to open their mouths while others can't?

 

[C_C]

Have a look at the reported players, lots of Indian players, more than the Australians.

which is why i said one rule for the aussies and another for the rest.
Incidents-wise, OZ are unparallelled.

The Indian players displayed the most disgusting behavoir ever witnessed on the field in South Africa.

False.
IND players finished the match without incidence. It was BCCI that created the furore.
IND players did their job.

Ganguly thinks he can flout the laws of cricket

I would like to know how you can tell us what ganguly THINKS.

the team will cheat by tampering with the ball

like how Warne cheated by taking drugs.

That is the cold hard facts.

yup. and so are mine. Problem is, 'instances' of this OZ team outguns any other nations by a few times.... to a point where even cricket australia admitted that OZ players need to improve their attitude.

Not to metion Ganguly will public berate pitch curators if they dont follow his instructions and will do everything to get the pitch curator to prepare a below standard pitch to bring the quality of cricket down to a level India can compete in.

everything ? again, i would like to hear your logic for this. If you know Ganguly's roots and influence, if he wanted the pitch shaved bald, he would've got a pitch shaved bald. The fact that it wasnt so proves that Gangs did not exercise his power.

And i suppose Mumbai is a below standard pitch because OZ lost. But Perth in the late 90s where AUS won and ENG lost ( similar horrid pitch) didnt raise a peep from the OZ circles.

And I remember Ganguly falsely claiming a catch that not only came off Gillys hip it also bounced two feet in front of Ganguly.

just like Gilly claiming numerous false catches. And yer forgetting slater.

Like i said, instances of this OZ team far outnumbers other teams...which is why i said the attitude of this OZ team stinks....note i didnt say anything about OZ teams of the yesteryears, even when they were dominating.

 

[Scallywag]

Like i said, instances of this OZ team far outnumbers other teams...which is why i said the attitude of this OZ team stinks....note i didnt say anything about OZ teams of the yesteryears, even when they were dominating.

Not really you just keep going on about McGrath.

I've named Ganguly, Tendulkar, Dravid and you have even admitted the BCCI thought they could tell the ICC who would umpire. How many Indian players were penalized in South Africa.

 

[Langeveldt]

How many Indian players were penalized in South Africa.

And look what they did as a result! Absolutely disgusting..

 

[C_C]

Not really you just keep going on about McGrath.

I've named Ganguly, Tendulkar, Dravid and you have even admitted the BCCI thought they could tell the ICC who would umpire. How many Indian players were penalized in South Africa.

how many were penalised in that particular incident is irrelevant. They had standing orders from BCCI....thus they were not accountable.
And McGrath is one i mentioned.
There is gillchrist, slater, Lehmann,Brad Williams, etc etc.

As per what BCCI told ICC, that is clearly off topic...the topic is THE PLAYERS. BCCI doesnt qualify.

 

[Scallywag]

One more thing C_C there were no stump mics in the 70' & 80's so how do you know for a fact that the WI didnt sledge as much or even worse than the Aussies of today.

 

[C_C]

One more thing C_C there were no stump mics in the 70' & 80's so how do you know for a fact that the WI didnt sledge as much or even worse than the Aussies of today.

Not only did they not sledge as much, they sledged the LEAST by far in their days and most were harmless witty comments.
That is reiterated numerous times categorically in the biographies/autobiographies of various players of that era...such as Greg Chappell,Imran Khan,Gavaskar, Kapil, Knott etc etc...
where they categorically mentioned that the WI team of that era was the least active in sledging and never said anything disrespectful.
Their aggression was differently..where their bowler would bust your skull open and then calmly wait at their bowling mark for you to get up and promptly bowl another bouncer. But they rarely sledged and no one has ever accused them of saying anything unbecomming on a cricket field.

Even after hearing the highly inflamatory remark of Tony Greig (grovelling remark), all that Viv said was 'no one talks to Viv Richards like that'.
Now THAT is gentlemanly and classy.