The Australian team - A disgrace to the game

[Sanz]

Lets not get into racism , please.
I live in the US myself and I have met both racists and ,well, ...non-racists.as for corruption, it is definitely not the sole domain of south asians..
but again, i do not think this is the right forum to have a debate such issues.

lets stick to cricket.

I myself am an Indian and have lived in South Asia for most part of my life. I didn't start this discussion about racism neither do I wish to debate. My remarks were in response to a south Asian canadian who made a sweeping statement about Australia & Australians.When it comes to racism we are as bad as anyone if not worse.

But as you said, Lets stick to cricket.

 

[Son Of Coco]

This discussion about Murali has gone on for a long time and is getting repetitive and boring for most of us in this forum.

Now I know you have joined the forum and started posting replies for posts done weeks ago or even days ago, but I suggest you go through the Archive of threads and read all the threads about Murali in your spare time (since you seem to have quite a lot of it to post 10-12 posts in a row) and then come back with your spin doctoring on this !!

Most people over several threads have acknowledged that Murali has been tested several times over the last 10 years and his stock deliveries have been declared OK.

If you are not sure after all that I don't think anyone can help you, but to let you continue to be sceptical and suspicious !!

I don't think there is anyway they are going to be able to let you personally test this guy. So you just have to take the words of the guys in White coats who by the way have some scientific knowledge and background to add to their credibility.

In the meantime Murali may not get a million wickets but a few hundred and You unfortunately must remain unhappy in your current sceptical mindset!!

Firstly, apologies for the number of posts mate, just playing a bit of catch up, but I'm there now.

I can't recall asking to personally test Murali, but anyway, the point was that there'd be a simple way to prove Murali's action is legal beyond any doubt....but perhaps the biomechanics experts, whilst having a brilliant knowledge of human movement, may not apply findings correctly in a cricketing context, unless they also have a lot of knowledge re:the game itself. The brace was a good move......

Anyway, I'm not that sceptical, I just wouldn't declare myself 100% certain. You are right though, I do have a lot of time on my hands, enough to think about the issue and write something on here that I have spent a little bit of time thinking about - rather than mindlessly taking the word of something I have read or been told.

 

[Legglancer]

I'd suggest this isn't the most unbiased of articles. Is he going to write another article in light of the latest indiscretions by non-Australians?

Why worry about what the writers personal preferances are or what he will write next ..... simply refute his case by a logical composed argument .... if you have a point .... or maybe you dont ......

 

[Son Of Coco]

Why worry about what the writers personal preferances are or what he will write next ..... simply refute his case by a logical composed argument .... if you have a point .... or maybe you dont ......

I think that was a fair point, maybe I should highlight it especially for you next time, or write (I'm making a point now) in brackets. It's an age old tactic playing down another's point by simply claiming that they don't have one or declaring your own argument as "logical" Legglancer. By the way, your point in your completely illogical post was!?

 

[Slow Love™]

Now let me tell you one thing . I dont take a shower, Put cheap anti fungal powder as a deodrant , and then iron press my under garments and put some make up on and then come on this forum to say some thing really slowly and checking the spellings 50 times to put up a post .

I agree that checking the spelling 50 times is excessive, but I always make a point of following the rest of this regime each time I sit down for some hard forum action. Except for the fact that I'm not wearing undergarments.

 

[Legglancer]

I think that was a fair point, maybe I should highlight it especially for you next time, or write (I'm making a point now) in brackets. It's an age old tactic playing down another's point by simply claiming that they don't have one or declaring your own argument as "logical" Legglancer. By the way, your point in your completely illogical post was!?

Lol ..... maybe you just dont get it ..... which does not surprise me !

OK here's a straight query .... Why Do you call my post "completely Illogical"? what are your logical well thought-out reasons ??? lets hear them out .... Let's find out what's between your ears ....

 

[Son Of Coco]

Lol ..... maybe you just dont get it ..... which does not surprise me !

OK here's a straight query .... Why Do you call my post "completely Illogical"? what are your logical well thought-out reasons ??? lets hear them out .... Let's find out what's between your ears ....

That was sarcasm big fella, but it kind of highlights how frustrating it can be when your point is dismissed out of hand as being 'illogical' without the poster actually making any point of their own.

My original point, and surprisingly it has to made a lot clearer to someone who has attempted to point out his obvious mental superiority but here we go, was that I think using an article written by someone who has an obvious bias against Oz makes for a fairly baseless argument re: The Aussie team and whether we're a disgrace to the game.

We could sit around dredging up articles that support our point of view, but that doesn't mean it's proof one way or the other.

Anything else I can make clearer while we're at it?

 

[Legglancer]

That was sarcasm big fella, but it kind of highlights how frustrating it can be when your point is dismissed out of hand as being 'illogical' without the poster actually making any point of their own.

My original point, and surprisingly it has to made a lot clearer to someone who has attempted to point out his obvious mental superiority but here we go, was that I think using an article written by someone who has an obvious bias against Oz makes for a fairly baseless argument re: The Aussie team and whether we're a disgrace to the game.

We could sit around dredging up articles that support our point of view, but that doesn't mean it's proof one way or the other.

Anything else I can make clearer while we're at it?

Well thanks for the amusing responses my friend .... I dont mean to be sarcastic but I'am sure you will get better with time.

Let me paraphrase my original request for your benifit ....

You mentioned that the article was biased against australia and baseless .... right ????? ok .... so all I am saying is back your point of view by composing preferably a logical argument based on hard facts, not emotion or your own biases.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Well thanks for the amusing responses my friend .... I dont mean to be sarcastic but I'am sure you will get better with time.

Let me paraphrase my original request for your benifit ....

You mentioned that the article was biased against australia and baseless .... right ????? ok .... so all I am saying is back your point of view by composing preferably a logical argument based on hard facts, not emotion or your own biases.

Thanks for the encouragement Legglancer - I'm sure the same applies for your good self. You have managed to go three or four posts though without actually making any points of your own, which is a commendable effort.

You don't have to paraphrase your q for me, i understood it the first time, as I remember the same didn't apply in reverse.

Ok, here are some of the hard facts I based my argument on:

1) The author is from the subcontinent and the tone of his article suggested a disliking for the Australian team - not unbiased.

2) If he turn around and writes an article condemning the Sri Lankan players, or whoever else might get themselves in a sledging controversy, then he would go someway to proving that he is genuinely concerned about sledging in the game and not just having a shot at the Australian Team.

And about what you've said so far:

1) I didn't say the article was baseless, I said founding an argument using it was - have you got someone there with you who can read these posts to you?

2) I think we both know that it's just as easy for me to find articles supporting Australia's stance on sledging (not racial abuse however) but I would never post them here and then claim it as proof that what the Aussies do is ok.

3) If you spent more time coming up with a point in your posts to me and less time being patronising (I don't really care how long you've been on here mate, this is a forum, not a boys club) then there'd be a bit more respect.

4) The article you posted wasn't based on your own biases then i presume? You just happened to be looking around on the net and saw something that looked good? I called your article for what I thought it was........and I didn't have to look up something written by someone else to let you know.

There's some points for you, either read them carefully though, or get someone else to read them to you.........I'm getting sick of repeating myself.

 

[JASON]

Anyway, I'm not that sceptical, I just wouldn't declare myself 100% certain. You are right though, I do have a lot of time on my hands, enough to think about the issue and write something on here that I have spent a little bit of time thinking about - rather than mindlessly taking the word of something I have read or been told.

Greater Minds than yours have accepted the three separate Tests and concluded his stock balls have no problem. So you, Mindless, accept it and since you have acknowledged that you have some time on your hands, do some research by going through the archive of threads and see if all this discussion has already been done several times over and if there is anything new you can pick up and then come back with something new.

May be even post some replies for posts written years ago Maybe, eh eh!!

Otherwise stop boring us with your habit of going over old topic like an old granny!!

 

[nookie_lk]

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[Son Of Coco]

Greater Minds than yours have accepted the three separate Tests and concluded his stock balls have no problem. So you, Mindless, accept it and since you have acknowledged that you have some time on your hands, do some research by going through the archive of threads and see if all this discussion has already been done several times over and if there is anything new you can pick up and then come back with something new.

May be even post some replies for posts written years ago Maybe, eh eh!!

Otherwise stop boring us with your habit of going over old topic like an old granny!!

Soory, but I didn't pick up on anyone bringing that up before - it was a simple question, not a statement of fact - I don't consider what I think to be fact unlike a few other posts I've seen on here. I also don't have enough time on my hands to hunt down articles supporting my point of view to save me coming up with anything myself.......so you'll have to keep me informed.

Secondly, not knowing me you have no call on how brilliant or otherwise my mind is.

Thirdly, newcomers on here are going to read through old posts and respond if they have an opinion on the matter - it's the way it is, and if you have a major problem with it I suggest you write to the moderator and put forward the idea that all posts are deleted after being here a week or so, it'll save you a lot of apparent heartache and pain.

It seems like you've misunderstood slightly the purpose of a forum, if you post something on here and someone else doesn't agree with it, don't get too upset. Some people on here have decided that if someone posts a message disagreeing with them it's time to get a little bit personal and play the man and not the ball...............just relax, oh, and by attempting to be patronising you're really just being a smartarse...........and proving you're more of the later and less of the former.

By the way, while you've been babbling on intelligently, you could have simply directed me to an interview posted on the Baggy Green website with Professor Bruce Elliott from the University of WA recently.........which answers the question I originally posed.....

 

[JASON]

Some people on here have decided that if someone posts a message disagreeing with them it's time to get a little bit personal and play the man and not the ball...............just relax, oh, and by attempting to be patronising you're really just being a smartarse...........and proving you're more of the later and less of the former.

By the way, while you've been babbling on intelligently, you could have simply directed me to an interview posted on the Baggy Green website with Professor Bruce Elliott from the University of WA recently.........which answers the question I originally posed.....

Yawn!! I am not going to waste my energy replying to your nonsensical comments. You obviously specialise in writing replies and posting tit for tat replies!! I am not going to bother replying any more !! You can bore yourself going over old territory!!

 

[Son Of Coco]

Yawn!! I am not going to waste my energy replying to your nonsensical comments. You obviously specialise in writing replies and posting tit for tat replies!! I am not going to bother replying any more !! You can bore yourself going over old territory!!

ok big fella, it's agreed no more replies from me either - yep, you got me, nonsensical it is.........

I'll try not to disagree with you again either, I know how it upsets you so........

 

[nookie_lk]

u know what...its not the AUS cricketers who are disgusting...its most of the australian fans...(the losers who still believes that murali is a chucker).

 

[benchmark00]

haha this is the most ridiculous thread i have ever seen, it is an absolute joke!

talk about a case of sour grapes, mate how about the time the player (sorry forgot who it was) sledged mcgrath about his wife (who has/had cancer)..

haha what an absolute joke this is, "we cant beat them so why not slag them off" when ahs australia ever got physical with an oponent... current team im talking about so dont mention lillee or whatever... hahaha get your country to win a game and come back and post a thread

 

[nookie_lk]

haha this is the most ridiculous thread i have ever seen, it is an absolute joke!

talk about a case of sour grapes, mate how about the time the player (sorry forgot who it was) sledged mcgrath about his wife (who has/had cancer)..

haha what an absolute joke this is, "we cant beat them so why not slag them off" when ahs australia ever got physical with an oponent... current team im talking about so dont mention lillee or whatever... hahaha get your country to win a game and come back and post a thread

i feel sooo sorry for mcgrath...(sob...sob)

 

[benchmark00]

hahaha just like i feel for murali i guess.....

sri lanka are the english of the mid/late 90's

OH NO THE BIG BAD AUSSIES ARE PICKING ON US... LEAVE US ALONE BOOF!


boo freakin hoo you big girls.... the only physical abuse australia dish out is a metophorical POUNDING of teams like sri lanka

 

[Slow Love™]

sri lanka are the english of the mid/late 90's

OH NO THE BIG BAD AUSSIES ARE PICKING ON US... LEAVE US ALONE BOOF!

Maybe you need a bit of a lie-down, mate, because I think you're getting a little carried away here. Unless you think that the Sri Lankans weren't within their rights to complain about being called "black c_nts".

 

[benchmark00]

Maybe you need a bit of a lie-down, mate, because I think you're getting a little carried away here. Unless you think that the Sri Lankans weren't within their rights to complain about being called "black c_nts".

theres no doubt that i think they shouldve complained and lehman got what was coming too him, i thought if anything it was a bit leanient, but people have very short memories, and australia is always portrayed as the bully... when there have been many upon many cases all around the world as other teams doing the same, the fact is that because australia are so prevelant in world cricket everything they do is highlighted... i relate it to a movie star and an average person, a movie star gets caught speeding and its a huge thing, an average person does it and its 'who cares'.... im just sick of people constantly whinging about old incidents, move on....