The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[ankitj]

Well the thing is I'd seen plenty of Walsh. It's just that he wasn't great when I saw him. Easily overshadowed by Ambrose and Bishop. It's a bit like when Indian fans underrate Warne.

LOL. It's nothing like any of that. You should just try to lecture others less on how they are not good at rating players when there are so many holes in your grasp of careers of non Aussie greats.

 

[trundler]

Glenn Turner
Bill Lawry
Rohan Kanhai
Peter May
Martin Crowe
Chanderpaul
Richie Benaud
Shaun Pollock
Wasim Bari
Wee Hall
Courtney Walsh

IMO

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How's this for a lower tier ATG XI?

 

[srbhkshk]

Shaun Pollock being a lower tier ATG is crazy talk.

 

[mr_mister]

Replace Pollock with Kapil Dev

 

[h_hurricane]

Slowly Walsh and Pollock are moved step by step to where they belong. They are still not quite there though.

 

[Burgey]

Pollock is the most over rated post-1990 fast bowler on this forum. By a mile.

 

[h_hurricane]

Graeme Pollock averaged 51 with the ball in tests. Nobody rates him as a bowler in this forum though.

 

[CricAddict]

Pollock is the most over rated post-1990 fast bowler on this forum. By a mile.

This is very true. The final bowling stats that he has is quite surprising to me. I don't think he struck any kind of fear factor to the batsmen.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I'm a bit with Burgey on this. Pollock was great but he seems to be passing from underrated into overrated territory.

I think Pollock's batting is often still underrated though.

 

[h_hurricane]

I'm a bit with Burgey on this. Pollock was great but he seems to be passing from underrated into overrated territory.

I think Pollock's batting is often still underrated though.

I think that is all people are saying.

 

[Burgey]

He averaged 47 in SA v Australia and his overall SR against them was 80 odd, home and away. And it was over 15 odd tests across a decade, so it' snot like it was a one series sort of thing. No worries if you want to mark Botham down for not performing vs WI, but Pollock needs the same treatment for how he went vs Australia. Honestly, I watched all the SA v Aus tests of that era, and there were some crackers,. But SA performed well in them despite Pollock, not because of him.

 

[Burgey]

This is very true. The final bowling stats that he has is quite surprising to me. I don't think he struck any kind of fear factor to the batsmen.

Yeah I agree with that. I'm surprised by it too. I mean, he's by no means awful and was a great servant, but I never thought of him as an ATG bowler. I wouldn't even have him in the top three of SA bowlers I've seen post admission (Steyn, Donald, Rabada ftr).

 

[stephen]

I wonder if it's because the Aussies of the era got to practice against a much better version of Pollock.

 

[mr_mister]

He averaged 47 in SA v Australia and his overall SR against them was 80 odd, home and away. And it was over 15 odd tests across a decade, so it' snot like it was a one series sort of thing. No worries if you want to mark Botham down for not performing vs WI, but Pollock needs the same treatment for how he went vs Australia. Honestly, I watched all the SA v Aus tests of that era, and there were some crackers,. But SA performed well in them despite Pollock, not because of him.

Killed it in the KO WC game against us in '99 though

 

[bagapath]

This thread seems to have turned into a competition about who can express the most outrageously wrong opinion. Bagabath, no need to continue with the crazy botham comparisons. You won already with the Ntini=Pollock. Not that it is necessarily the worst comparison on this thread, but it is the most easily debunkable seeing as they were teammates for most of their careers.

Ntini averages 37 away. The people we normally mock for being htbs (Anderson, jadedja etc) would throw up in their own mouths at the thought of those kind of stats

I decide when to take my insulin. So I will decide when to stop posting on this thread. Thanks Bolo.

 

[Burgey]

That may well have something to do with it. I don't want to bag the bloke - he was obviously a fine bowler and took on the SA captaincy young and at a tough time for the side. His overall record says ATG (23 is none too shabby a bowling average, and he bowled for a decade plus, had great control and a skiddy enough bouncer) but yeah, just never struck me as a "hide behind the lounge" sort of bowler like an Ambrose or even a Donald when he was on song (usually about six overs before he pulled a heartlige as well tbf).

 

[Burgey]

Killed it in the KO WC game against us in '99 though

Yeah but I'm talking test cricket here m8

 

[mr_mister]

This is very true. The final bowling stats that he has is quite surprising to me. I don't think he struck any kind of fear factor to the batsmen.

Did McGrath strike fear?

 

[Burgey]

He struck fear about getting you out, for sure.

 

[Red]

He averaged 47 in SA v Australia and his overall SR against them was 80 odd, home and away. And it was over 15 odd tests across a decade, so it' snot like it was a one series sort of thing. No worries if you want to mark Botham down for not performing vs WI, but Pollock needs the same treatment for how he went vs Australia. Honestly, I watched all the SA v Aus tests of that era, and there were some crackers,. But SA performed well in them despite Pollock, not because of him.

He was mediocre against Australia, but you can't discount the rest of his bowling career based on the 13 tests he played against Australia. The rest of his career was really high quality. He was never a strike bowler but his accuracy and frugalness was a massive asset to his team.