The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[Flametree]

pakistan xi :

Hanif Mohammed
Saeed Anwar
Younis Khan
Javed Miandad
Inzamam
Mushtaq Mohammed
Imran Khan
Wasim Akram
Wasim Bari *
Saqlain Mushtaq
Waqar Younis.

Apologies to Fazal Mahmood. Would have no objection to someone going for a lower order of Imran at 6, then Rashid (for the extra batting over Bari), Wasim, Saqlain, Fazal and Waqar. But to me I tend to prefer 3-pace, 2-spin combinations, particularly for sub-continental sides.

Younis Khan not everyone's favourite, but he did score a fair chunk of his runs batting at number 3. Javed, Inzamam, Yousuf, Zaheer.. look at their stats and none of them did well batting there.

 

[fredfertang]

Fred, did you watch Imran's older cousin Majid Khan bat? Apparently he was a very very good player of fast bowling. I think he even gets mentioned by either Viv or Colin Croft in Fire in Babylon. How good was Majid?

I used to get to see a lot of Majid batting - in the late 60s he played for Glamorgan, he was Majid Jahinger then, a much more exciting name imo, and BBC Wales often used to televise their matches (the reason we are lucky enough to have a record of Garry Sobers' six sixes in an over), and although, thank God, I didn't live in Wales we were close enough for my Dad to go to the trouble of getting a second TV aerial and pointing it towards Rhyl so we could watch the cricket (which thankfully didn't, unlike most of the bloody programmes, have welsh-speaking commentators)

But I digress - Majid's reputation as a dasher guaranteed a desire to watch Glamorgan bat and he was well worth the effort and, along with my great childhood hero Farokh Engineer, one of the very few sub-continental batsman we got to see. He was a bit short changed at Test level though as he had to open in 1974, and not unnaturally didn't look entirely at home there, and looking it up reminds me that he didn't get many runs in his other Tests in England, but he was a real crowd pleaser at County level, and if you ignore his Tests in England, averaged over 40 in Tests, so he clearly was good enough to make the step up

 

[hang on]

I used to get to see a lot of Majid batting - in the late 60s he played for Glamorgan, he was Majid Jahinger then, a much more exciting name imo, and BBC Wales often used to televise their matches (the reason we are lucky enough to have a record of Garry Sobers' six sixes in an over), and although, thank God, I didn't live in Wales we were close enough for my Dad to go to the trouble of getting a second TV aerial and pointing it towards Rhyl so we could watch the cricket (which thankfully didn't, unlike most of the bloody programmes, have welsh-speaking commentators)

But I digress - Majid's reputation as a dasher guaranteed a desire to watch Glamorgan bat and he was well worth the effort and, along with my great childhood hero Farokh Engineer, one of the very few sub-continental batsman we got to see. He was a bit short changed at Test level though as he had to open in 1974, and not unnaturally didn't look entirely at home there, and looking it up reminds me that he didn't get many runs in his other Tests in England, but he was a real crowd pleaser at County level, and if you ignore his Tests in England, averaged over 40 in Tests, so he clearly was good enough to make the step up

lillee spoke highly of majid. in the anecdote about knocking off, or trying to, his trusted cap.


both engineer and khan were highly charismatic blokes, and apparently rather dab hands with the ladies.

 

[smash84]

I used to get to see a lot of Majid batting - in the late 60s he played for Glamorgan, he was Majid Jahinger then, a much more exciting name imo, and BBC Wales often used to televise their matches (the reason we are lucky enough to have a record of Garry Sobers' six sixes in an over), and although, thank God, I didn't live in Wales we were close enough for my Dad to go to the trouble of getting a second TV aerial and pointing it towards Rhyl so we could watch the cricket (which thankfully didn't, unlike most of the bloody programmes, have welsh-speaking commentators)

But I digress - Majid's reputation as a dasher guaranteed a desire to watch Glamorgan bat and he was well worth the effort and, along with my great childhood hero Farokh Engineer, one of the very few sub-continental batsman we got to see. He was a bit short changed at Test level though as he had to open in 1974, and not unnaturally didn't look entirely at home there, and looking it up reminds me that he didn't get many runs in his other Tests in England, but he was a real crowd pleaser at County level, and if you ignore his Tests in England, averaged over 40 in Tests, so he clearly was good enough to make the step up

Could be if he could score a century before lunch I suppose

 

[BoyBrumby]

benaud's XI seems much better

Bradman was too mean to use more than one eye.

Interesting he picked Lindwall tho, a bowler who, by his own admission, modelled his action on a chap Sir Donald sought to traduce as a chucker.

 

[Jager]

Bradman was too mean to use more than one eye.

Interesting he picked Lindwall tho, a bowler who, by his own admission, modelled his action on a chap Sir Donald sought to traduce as a chucker.

Larwood?

 

[BoyBrumby]

Larwood?

Aye.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

Anwar
Haneef
Younis
Miandad
Inzy
Yousuf
Khan (c)
Latif (wk)
Wasim
Waqar
Saqlain

12th Man
Fazal

 

[kyear2]

Bobby Simpson
Arthur Morris
Don Bradman
Greg Chappell
Neil Harvey / Allan Border
Keith Miller
Adam Gilchrist
Shane Warne
Dennis Lillee
Bill O'Reilly / Ray Lindwall
Glenn Mcgrath

Ricky Ponting

 

[kyear2]

Gordon Greenidge
Conrad Hunte
George Headley
Viv Richards
Brian Lara
Garry Sobers
Clyde Walcott
Malcolm Marshall
Curtly Ambrose
Michael Holding
Lance Gibbs

Everton Weekes
Frank Worrell
Joel Garner

 

[kyear2]

Barry Richards
Graeme Smith
Jacques Kallis
Graeme Pollock
Dudley Nourse
Aubrey Falkner
Mike Procter
John Waite
Dale Steyn
Hugh Tayfield
Allan Donald

Shaun Pollock
Bruce Mitchell
A.B deVilliars

 

[harsh.ag]

Windies XI for me:

Greenidge | Headley | Viv | Sobers | Lara | Worrell* | Dujon +| Marshall | Garner | Holding | Ambrose |

With the Aussie XI, the no. 5 slot is such an open position: Waugh, Ponting, Harvey, Border, and McCabe; have never been able to make up my mind on that one. Although safe to say, Border is the last on my list, perhaps because I think that all time teams should be show stealers, and in that respect at least, Ponting, McCabe and Harvey are ahead of Border, and also ahead of Waugh. Waugh's awesomeness in the early 90s was really good though, so I put him up there. Harvey was very good, but I am pretty sure couldn't really be better than Ponting. So, in the end, for me, it comes down to Ponting, Waugh and McCabe. Who would you chose?

Anyways, my England XI:

Hobbs | Sutcliffe | Hutton | Hammond | Barrington | Botham | Prior +| Larwood | Laker | Trueman | Barnes |

I know most of you will look down, shaking your heads, when you read Prior's name on there, but I think his batting is a fantastic add on for a team that has Botham coming in at number 6. Knott's batting was not as good, and I have yet to see keeping howlers from Prior either. I thought of leaving Botham out for a specialist bat at number 6, but that would be doing a disservice to Headingley 81

 

[kyear2]

Jack Hobbs
Len Hutton
Wally Hammond
Denis Compton
Peter May
Frank Wooley / Ian Botham
Allan Knott
John Snow
Fred Trueman
Harold Larwood
Syd Barnes

Jim Laker
Ken Barrington

 

[kyear2]

Hanif Mohammad
Saeed Anwaar
Younis Khan
Javed Miandad
Inzamam Ul-Haq
Mushtaq Mohammad
Imran Khan
Wasim Bari
Wasim Akram
Waqar Younis
Abdul Qadir

Mohammad Yousuf
Fazal Mohammad
Salim Malik

 

[kyear2]

None of the other teams would be compeditive and would behind even second W.I and Aussie XI's

 

[harsh.ag]

None of the other teams would be compeditive and would behind even second W.I and Aussie XI's

Care to explain that?

 

[harsh.ag]

If you are saying that an India All Time XI wouldn't be competitive, you are completely out of your depth. India has always been exceptionally difficult to defeat at home, even by the best teams in the history of test cricket. I am guessing you made that statement by assuming that fast, seaming pitches are the only pitches on which test cricket should be played. Even then that statement is not true. Anyways, try beating this team on spin friendly pitches:

Gavaskar | Sehwag | Dravid* | Tendulkar | Hazare | Engineer +| Mankad | Dev | Z Khan | Kumble | Prasanna |

 

[kyear2]

Not to offend, Just don't belive that they have the bowling, eapecially away from home, to bowl out any of the top teams.

So btw, what is your World A.T XI

 

[harsh.ag]

I don't really have a World All Time XI to be honest, but if I had to, then I would take:

B Richards | Gavaskar | Bradman | Viv | Tendulkar | Sobers | Gilly +| Imran | Marshall | Murali | McGrath |

I think this team would do well irrespective of where the match is held. I have taken those batsmen who were good players of both pace and spin. Barry Richards was a good tackler of spin, whereas with Hobbs and Hutton I can't be sure. Likewise with the middle order. Imran, Marshall, McGrath and Murali will do well anywhere in the world too.

 

[kyear2]

Sir Len Hutton brioike Bradman's record with possibly the second greatest spinner ever bowling 87 overs. He was possibly the only batsman who conquered and properly and positivly played Ramadin and Valentine during their peak.
Persons point to Warne's record in India as Murali being better everywhere. A closer look shows that they both struggled in India with Warne averaging 43 compared to Murali's average of 45 and Murali also struggled in Australia averaging 75 (2 series). Even where Murali performed best at home averaging 19 (compared to 27 overseas), Warne's average was similar at 20.
So Warne was equally good everywhere plus was the better batsman, good slip fielder and that great cricketing mind.
Similarily Imran also performed much better at home than away (19 compared to 25) and particularily strugged averaging over 28 in India and Australia. Still makes my team though primarily on his captaincy and importance to Pakistan cricket and he was a great bowler as well.
Just my two cents worth.