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On his birthday no less.
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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread
- Thread starter Red
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On his birthday no less.
MrPrez
International Debutant
Most seem to be picking Tayfield - interesting. I excluded him because I reckon Faulkner would do more than enough to warrant being the only spinner in a South African side. South Africa has always favoured less rather than more spin and I reckon that adding a second spinner over another gun fast bowler isn't right for a South African ATXI.
MrPrez
International Debutant
From his Wisden Obituary:
"For the team of 1912 he made 1,075 runs and obtained 163 wickets. Although at the beginning of his career, particularly at the time when he first became prominent in South African Inter-State cricket in 1906, he was of little value as a batsman, he became as the years passed, almost as great a batsman as he was a bowler."
ankitj
Hall of Fame Member
You have to look at the batting averages of contemporaries in Faulkner's time. I'd say a batting average of 40 in his time was almost as good as 50 in later eras. Correspondingly, his bowling average of 25 perhaps equivalent of 30-32 in other eras.
And Tayfield is a little under-rated IMO. Got plenty of fivers in not that many games.
And Tayfield is a little under-rated IMO. Got plenty of fivers in not that many games.
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Jager
International Debutant
Interesting thinking there Prez - I actually think you might be onto something there.
Tayfield is in the Grimmett mould for me - not the most astounding strike rates for them both because they weren't enormous turners of the ball, but they both possessed superb accuracy and could grind down even the finest of batsmen
Tayfield is in the Grimmett mould for me - not the most astounding strike rates for them both because they weren't enormous turners of the ball, but they both possessed superb accuracy and could grind down even the finest of batsmen
kyear2
International Coach
Awta
AndyZaltzHair
Hall of Fame Member
Smali surprise exclusion of Zaheer Abbas there; I think he's one of the best bats for Pakistan and deserves to be in Pak ATG XI although the sheer weight of middle order makes it tough as to where he would play; for me, Javed Miandad and Inzamam got to be there in the middle order so that leaves another two more spots; Javed at 4 and Inzi at 5 leaves a space for Abbas at 3. It looks somewhat wrong to bat Yousuf at 6 but I think there's little option than this-
Hanif
Anwar
Abbas
Miandad
Inzamam
Yousuf
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smash84
The Tiger King
Salim Malik is one of the more under rated Pak players (match fixing doesn't help his cause
) he was a very good player of spin bowling (not good as Zaheer probably) and definitely better than Abbas against pace bowling. Besides Salim Malik fits very nicely into the number 6 position since he used to bat in the lower middle order. As NUFAN pointed out that rather than just cramming good players into the team it is important that the team be balanced. Keeping Malik into the side allows the other players to bat in their preferred spots. He has a record similar to Abbas as well. Hence Saleem Malik over Abbas.I didn't watch Zaheer Abbas bat too much but I do rely a lot on Imran's opinion of him which matches that of Marshall's. Apparently Zaheer could be easily intimidated and with Imran as captain of the side that won't be tolerated.
fredfertang
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
He was very easy on the eye was Zaheer and at his best looked unstoppable, but he was prone to lapses of form which did seem to coincide when the oppo had some top class pace bowling
Mushy was a class act, with bat and ball, and I'd consider him for an all time Pak XI
Red
The normal awards that everyone else has
Bradman's Best XI
A. Morris
B. Richards
D. Bradman
S. Tendulkar
G. Sobers
D. Tallon
R. Lindwall
D. Lillee
A. Bedser
B. O'Reilly
C. Grimmett
12th- W. Hammond
Benaud's Best XI
J. Hobbs
S. Gavaskar
D. Bradman
V. Richards
S. Tendulkar
G. Sobers
I. Khan
A. Gilchrist
S. Warne
D. Lillee
S. Barnes
12th- K. Miller
A. Morris
B. Richards
D. Bradman
S. Tendulkar
G. Sobers
D. Tallon
R. Lindwall
D. Lillee
A. Bedser
B. O'Reilly
C. Grimmett
12th- W. Hammond
Benaud's Best XI
J. Hobbs
S. Gavaskar
D. Bradman
V. Richards
S. Tendulkar
G. Sobers
I. Khan
A. Gilchrist
S. Warne
D. Lillee
S. Barnes
12th- K. Miller
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AndyZaltzHair
Hall of Fame Member
Harsh on a guy who hit 3 double centuries and was tagged as Asian Bradman once, reasonable record against Australia and outstanding record against England, great periods for Gloucestershire and made tons of runs for them but I guess his poor record against West Indies sometimes doesn't help the cause.
smash84
The Tiger King
Hmm....you're right. I didn't consider Mushtaq M. Didn't watch him much either.
Fred, did you watch Imran's older cousin Majid Khan bat? Apparently he was a very very good player of fast bowling. I think he even gets mentioned by either Viv or Colin Croft in Fire in Babylon. How good was Majid?
benaud's XI seems much better
smash84
The Tiger King
Yep, maybe my team can be
Hanif
Anwar
Inzy
Javed
Yousuf
Mushtaq M
Imran Khan
Wasim Bari
Wasim Akram
Younis
Saqlain/Qadir/Ajmal
Does seem like a better outfit than the one with Saleem Malik in it
Jager
International Debutant
I think the mention he got was Viv retelling how he had his cheekbone fractured by the WI pace attack
smash84
The Tiger King
yes the mention was in the breaking cheek bone but he got a mention because he was a very good player of pace bowling (along with some others) who got serious injuries (and I think he was talking about WSC at that point was he?). One of the better players of fast bowling from the SC I think.