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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
Questionable as well. Imran admitted to using a bottlecap in a County Game once. If he ever did such a thing in Tests, it most likely was in his 40 wickets India series. Re LBW, it's not like Australian umpires were some beacons of fair play as well. Gavaskar walked off with his partner Chauhan once given a piss poor lbw off of Lillee himself. So downplaying Imran totally makes no literal sense. Also should be mentioned, I believe Imran played in Australia a series as a frontline batsman (though that was post Lillee probs) and hardly bowled in one due to injury (Lillee played that IIRC, though can be wrong there). Once you account for home pitch and batting line-up advantage of Lillee......
 

Qlder

International Regular
This is typical CW. I make a post to show how great Lillee bowled in tests compared to 5 ATG bowlers he played in same test with (Imran, Hadlee, Holding, Roberts and Garner) and the story immediately goes to how Lillee bowled in "that" series in Pakistan 😆
 
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capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
This is typical CW. I make a post to show how great Lillee bowled in tests compared to 5 ATG bowlers he played in same test with (Imran, Hadlee, Holding, Roberts and Garner) and the story immediately goes to how Lillee bowled in "that" series in Pakistan 😆
I mean, I do think it should be mentioned most of those Tests were played in Lillee's home...... I am sure you won't disagree that being a massive advantage.
 

Qlder

International Regular
I mean, I do think it should be mentioned most of those Tests were played in Lillee's home...... I am sure you won't disagree that being a massive advantage.
That doesn't apply for Hadlee and are you seriously suggesting Holding, Roberts and Garner wouldn't prefer to bowl in Australia rather than West Indies?

I also included games against Snow, Willis and Botham where home games were split. Even I was surprised at how much better Lillee did against the very good English pace bowlers at that time
 
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ankitj

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
This is typical CW. I make a post to show how great Lillee bowled in tests compared to 5 ATG bowlers he played in same test with (Imran, Hadlee, Holding, Roberts and Garner) and the story immediately goes to how Lillee bowled in "that" series in Pakistan 😆
I don't know what was your earlier post but I agree with your sentiment here. Lillee's entire career on this forum is reduced to his lack of subcontinent success. That is what we talk about 99% of the time Lillee is mentioned. In last ~15 years on this forum I have learned about great performances of many players who were before my time, but nothing about Lillee's.

Edit: found your earlier post.
 

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
That doesn't apply for Hadlee and are you seriously suggesting Holding, Roberts and Garner wouldn't prefer to bowl in Australia rather than West Indies?

I also included games against Snow, Willis and Botham where home games were split. Even I was surprised at how much better Lillee did against the very good English pace bowlers at that time
Hadlee bowled to significantly better batsmen, and home advantage against the WI quicks isn't just about where they will prefer to bowl, it's where they are most used to and where he won't.

Lillee had wool over the English pacers though, nothing on them. Just think this direct comparison doesn't works that well with Imran, Hadlee and WI quicks (to an extent, he did bowled to better batsmen in 79, though had the advantage in 76).
 

Qlder

International Regular
Just think this direct comparison doesn't works that well with Imran, Hadlee and WI quicks (to an extent, he did bowled to better batsmen in 79, though had the advantage in 76).
Sorry but the stats I provided were literally the closest direct comparison you can make as it was for when these guys played in the exact same conditions in the same tests. What would give a better "factual" conparison than that?

Surely it now can't be that Lillee only had greater success than opposition ATG bowlers because the Australian batting line-up was better? Other than 1975/76 when Lillee & Thommo destroyed the West Indies Australia had limited success
 
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capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
Sorry but the stats I provided were literally the closest comparison you can make as it was for when these guys played in the exact same conditions in the same tests. What would give a better "factual" conparison than that?
Overall career comparison. What you are doing is like comparing what Cummins, Anderson and Rabada did in matches with Ashwin, except almost all of them were played in India.
 

sayon basak

International Captain
Joe Misso was born on 1 March 1920. He attended St Peter's College Colombo. Among the hundreds he scored there were two against St Joseph's College.

He was a left-hand bat with a sound defence who put away the bad ball. In 1956 he left Ceylon for England, by which time he had scored 168 centuries, all non first-class. In 1938 he scored 4236 runs with 18 centuries. Misso recorded another 142 hundreds in England for various clubs, mainly Teddington Town, Great Western Railway, Turnham Green and Brentham. His last hundred was in 1978. Misso died in 2011.

His 310 centuries are a record for all cricket.

Regarding the England uncapped XI, James Langridge played Tests. It was his brother John who was not picked.
Can you provide the similar type of description about Frank Roro? Don't think I know much about him.
 

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