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Sri Lanka in Australia thread

badgerhair

U19 Vice-Captain
Sanz said:
Mike, do you seriously think it is as simple as some nasty boys/girls booing/calling-names to aussies in England ??

Do you really think that Aussie crowd will Shut Up,even if he bowls with a fair action ??
They did when Tony Lock stopped chucking.

If ICC come up with a study which allows Murali's current doosra to count as a legal delivery, then no, they won't shut up, and neither will a lot of other people, because they'll see the integrity of the game being destroyed.

But otherwise, yes, people do tend to stop hurling abuse at cheats when they stop cheating. If Murali doesn't like being called a cheat, all he has to do is play by the Laws of Cricket instead of breaking them.

Of course, if you're determined to say that anyone who hurls abuse at a cheat with a different coloured skin is automatically a racist, then go ahead - it's the nice easy cop-out which fails to face the problem that Murali's current "bowling" is illegal.

Cheers,

Mike
 

anzac

International Debutant
luckyeddie said:
Murali only THINKS he is
methinks his aspirations are a weee bit higher than that.............unless the holes in his feet let too much water get thru.............. 8-)
 

anzac

International Debutant
a massive zebra said:
And your behaviour on this forum has convinced me that you are an arrogant, patronising, up yourself fool who always feels he is right.
I don't think that was called for - especially in regard to the post quoted.........

but if you feel that way about someone who used to admire Murali but has problems with his recent behaviour, then add me to your list re the above as I have the same problems regarding his recent behaviour concerning 'Doosragate'.......... :thumbdown
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
badgerhair said:
They did when Tony Lock stopped chucking.
I dont really know about Lock incident but those Australian fans who really boo other bowlers are hypocrites, They should look into their own bowlers like Brett Lee, How many times was he booed(by the Australians) for chucking ?


badgerhair said:
If ICC come up with a study which allows Murali's current doosra to count as a legal delivery, then no, they won't shut up, and neither will a lot of other people, because they'll see the integrity of the game being destroyed.
So basically you have no respect for ICC then ? You basically want ICC to ban him regardless of the findings, don't you ?? If the findings were in line with your views than It's good, otherwise it isn't and Aussie fans wont shut up. Kind of justifies Murali's decision to not tour. I

badgerhair said:
But otherwise, yes, people do tend to stop hurling abuse at cheats when they stop cheating. If Murali doesn't like being called a cheat, all he has to do is play by the Laws of Cricket instead of breaking them.
I didnt see Australians screaming 'Cheat', 'Cheat' when Mark Waugh and Shane Warne took money or When Shane warne took performance enhancing Drug or When Chappel bowled under-arm, when Slater claimed droppped catches and fought with the Umpire, when australian players abused others in the cricket ground because otherwise they were not able to get the batsman out ?

badgerhair said:
Of course, if you're determined to say that anyone who hurls abuse at a cheat with a different coloured skin is automatically a racist, then go ahead - it's the nice easy cop-out which fails to face the problem that Murali's current "bowling" is illegal.
Blah blah blah, I haven't said anything of that sort, you did and that means it is defintately on your mind. Only a racially motivated person can abuse others so much esp when there is a governing body to take care of cricketing Issue.
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
In recent times more and more aussies have been speaking out against Murali for the simple reason that they know that Warnie can't compete with Murali for long in this race of wickets.
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
anzac said:
... if you feel that way about someone who used to admire Murali but has problems with his recent behaviour, then add me to your list re the above as I have the same problems regarding his recent behaviour concerning 'Doosragate'.......... :thumbdown
What behaviour you are talking about ?? He is not the first one in cricketing world to stay away from a tour, The Aussie fans must learn to behave themselves and wait for the ICC's decision.

I couldn't care less about Murali's action but I honestly think that the sole reason for Murali's decision to boycott this tour is the filthy and abusive behaviour of Australian fans. And actually those fans pointing towards Murali's behaviour is a classic example of 'POT, KETTLE, BLACK....'
 

anzac

International Debutant
Sanz said:
In recent times more and more aussies have been speaking out against Murali for the simple reason that they know that Warnie can't compete with Murali for long in this race of wickets.
:horse:
 

anzac

International Debutant
Sanz said:
What behaviour you are talking about ?? He is not the first one in cricketing world to stay away from a tour, The Aussie fans must learn to behave themselves and wait for the ICC's decision.

I couldn't care less about Murali's action but I honestly think that the sole reason for Murali's decision to boycott this tour is the filthy and abusive behaviour of Australian fans. And actually those fans pointing towards Murali's behaviour is a classic example of 'POT, KETTLE, BLACK....'
behaviour as previously discussed on other threads regarding 'Doosragate'........

a pity you don't care less that he was using an illegal delivery action.........

me thinks you are scating on thin ice re your 'pot, kettle.........' when using it in debate with 2 persons who have already stated they used to admire the subject, but have changed their minds as a result of his behavior regarding 'Doosragate'...........the reason being as your 'pot, kettle,...' doesn't apply to persons who were previous supporters or neutrals during the previous issues..........
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
anzac said:
a pity you don't care less that he was using an illegal delivery action.........
Yes I dont, ICC is there to decide what is legal and what is not. And I will wait for ICC's decision and expect a lot of transparency in its communication with Sri Lankan Cricket Board.

anzac said:
me thinks you are scating on thin ice re your 'pot, kettle.........' when using it in debate with 2 persons who have already stated they used to admire the subject, but have changed their minds as a result of his behavior regarding 'Doosragate'...........the reason being as your 'pot, kettle,...' doesn't apply to persons who were previous supporters or neutrals during the previous issues..........
And those same 2 persons supporting the filthy,rude and abusive behaviour of Australian fans doesn't go well with me, so my 'Pot, Kettle...black' theory applies very well here.

I am a neutral here, neither an aussie nor a Sri Lankan and I myself dont have much respect for Murali's bowling and think he chucks but It doesn't give anyone any right to abuse him or harass him just because he/she thinks he chucks. There is ICC to decide on his bowling action, If ICC doesn't have balls to ban him and decides in Murali's favor, then too bad, It's not Murali's fault but ICC's fault. BOO ICC not Murali, Boo Ehsan Mani, Malcom Speed, BCCSL, not MURALI.

It's Murali's right to refuse to tour any country, I remember Richard Hadlee, Ian Botham and many other players withdrawing from their sub-continent tours for reasons best known to them. What is this fuss about ??

As for your lost respect you had Murali, who gives a **** ?? I lost all respect I had for Warnie after drug scandal but who gives a **** really ??
 

anzac

International Debutant
caught a glimpse at a local paper that had a couple of articles regarding his decision not to tour.............

the first was from his manager(???), and said that Murali didn't care about what PM Howard had said or about the potential abuse from the Aussie crowds, but that he was feeling the stress & strain regarding the recent events surrounding his Doosra delivery...........and then the usual comments about how would we like it if it happened to us regarding the abuse & being called a cheat, if we were the record holder & should be worthy of greater respect etc etc etc...........

the 2nd quoted Murali as saying that Darwin & Cairns were venues that 2nd tier teams had played at, and were not like playing at the MCG where SRL had previously played when on tour, and that now they were playing at these 2nd tier venues, and that the tour was only 2 tests & 3 weeks and was not worth it as there was nothing to be gained.............

it seems to me like the 2nd article answers the latter part of the previous.......

furthermore he implies that BAN are 2nd rate & that we of Darwin & Cairns are not worthy of his presence.........I'm a bit confused as to how that fits in with a tour to ZIM - how are they anymore deserving to be graced by his presence than we are???? and how does his comments sit in relation to the recently quoted mandate of the ICC regarding the spreading of the game????

should I be offended that we are not worthy?????
should PM Howard leap to our defence & threaten legal action????
should the BAN players be offended that he considers them to be 2nd rate????
what should the ZIM team then think????

or should I just regard his comments with the scant contempt they deserve, as the mindless drivel of someone who's arrogance knows now bounds, and as further evidence of his scant regard for the game & anything he may disagree with regarding it??????

confused??? you won't be - stayed tuned for the next exciting episode of.................................soap!!!!!

:bored:
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
Did Murali call the fans of 'Darwin & Cairns' as Cheats ?? NO
Did Murali abuse the citizens of 'Darwin & Cairns' ?? NO


I really find it funny the way you have been comparing things. If Murali had called the people of 'Darwin & Cairns' as a-holes, his statements could have been compared to the abusive behaviour of Aussie fans.
 

anzac

International Debutant
Sanz said:
Yes I dont, ICC is there to decide what is legal and what is not. And I will wait for ICC's decision and expect a lot of transparency in its communication with Sri Lankan Cricket Board.

And those same 2 persons supporting the filthy,rude and abusive behaviour of Australian fans doesn't go well with me, so my 'Pot, Kettle...black' theory applies very well here.

I am a neutral here, neither an aussie nor a Sri Lankan and I myself dont have much respect for Murali's bowling and think he chucks but It doesn't give anyone any right to abuse him or harass him just because he/she thinks he chucks. There is ICC to decide on his bowling action, If ICC doesn't have balls to ban him and decides in Murali's favor, then too bad, It's not Murali's fault but ICC's fault. BOO ICC not Murali, Boo Ehsan Mani, Malcom Speed, BCCSL, not MURALI.

It's Murali's right to refuse to tour any country, I remember Richard Hadlee, Ian Botham and many other players withdrawing from their sub-continent tours for reasons best known to them. What is this fuss about ??

As for your lost respect you had Murali, who gives a **** ?? I lost all respect I had for Warnie after drug scandal but who gives a **** really ??
I don't know what you are waiting for................his delivery action has been found to be outside the laws of the game.............case closed until further notice..........

where in the post regarding having lost respect / admiration for him (the post that drew your response that I then in turn responded to), did anyone suggest that they supported those actions attributed to the Aussie fans?????

So you're not an Aussie or a Sri Lankan - that makes 2 of us.............

see point 1................and I too have issues regarding the way the ICC have handled this and other issues...........

I'm not going to loose any sleep whether you give a **** or not, I was simply making a point regarding your aforementioned post, which I still think was an unnecessary remark to what was a fairly harmless statement...........

unless of course you were using that post to respond to the poster regarding his previous posts, and were not responding to the content of the post at all...........

in which case I think you owe me an apology for making such a generalisation and including me in it, when all I said was that I thought your reaction to the post was uncalled for & that I felt the same way..............

:D
 

anzac

International Debutant
Sanz said:
Did Murali call the fans of 'Darwin & Cairns' as Cheats ?? NO
Did Murali abuse the citizens of 'Darwin & Cairns' ?? NO


I really find it funny the way you have been comparing things. If Murali had called the people of 'Darwin & Cairns' as a-holes, his statements could have been compared to the abusive behaviour of Aussie fans.

you have an abuse fixation.............so it's ok to say anything etc so long as you are not abusive or call someone a cheat???
 

badgerhair

U19 Vice-Captain
Sanz said:
So basically you have no respect for ICC then ? You basically want ICC to ban him regardless of the findings, don't you ?? If the findings were in line with your views than It's good, otherwise it isn't and Aussie fans wont shut up. Kind of justifies Murali's decision to not tour.
No, that's not it.

When it comes to what the Laws of Cricket should be, then ICC is only in a position to make recommendations to the responsible body. If ICC chooses to approve playing conditions which differ markedly from the Laws of Cricket, then I expect that those who prefer the Laws to a cobbled-together kludge to allow someone to cheat will lose any remaining respect for or patience with ICC and won't be shy about protesting.

And as a Member of the responsible body, I can say that I will take a lot of convincing to vote for a change in the Law radical enough to accommodate the finger-spinner's doosra, because I really don't see how you frame it without allowing someone like SF Barnes to chuck, in which case he would be completely unplayable.


I didnt see Australians screaming 'Cheat', 'Cheat' when Mark Waugh and Shane Warne took money or When Shane warne took performance enhancing Drug or When Chappel bowled under-arm, when Slater claimed droppped catches and fought with the Umpire, when australian players abused others in the cricket ground because otherwise they were not able to get the batsman out ?
That would presumably be because you weren't looking.

From Adrian MacGregor's biography of Greg Chappell:

"Greg saw Howarth run on out of the corner of his eye as he raced off. The crowd [at the MCG] were bellowing a mixture of three-fifths booing, one of applause and the rest were dumbstruck. A small girl, about nine, leaped the fence and grabbed Greg by the arm. He was about to decline an autograph when she shouted 'You cheated! You cheated!' ....

"'We didn't fully understand what happened,' said Howarth. It was so momentous. It was the controversy of the century.'
"If it was not so already Richie Benaud was ensuring it would be.... in his post-match summary, Benaud was delivering one of the most astonishing pieces of invective ever levelled at an international cricket captain. He said: 'Well, there are 50,000 people here at the MCG today. I would hazard a guess that you might find three or at the very most four who wouldn't have a sinking feeling in their stomach at the moment of that last delivery.
"'Now you can have your own opinions about that. Let me tell you what mine is. I think it was a gutless performance by the Australian captain. It came about because he got his sums wrong....He and Kim Hughes and Rod Marsh were doing the sums on their fingers out there. I don't think we'll go too far into what they should be doing with their fingers at this moment.'"
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That's just the underarm.

If you actually examined the other incidents you mention, rather than just drawing on a deep well of anti-Australian prejudice, you would find that there are large numbers of Australians who have very low opinions of Mark Waugh and Shane Worn, although it's fair to point out that neither of them have wilfully broken the Laws of Cricket while playing a match, which would tend to lessen the likelhood of people shouting at them from the stands about it, which is why you might not have heard any organised chanting at the SCG.

And so on.

I'm only too aware that Australian cricket crowds include substantial numbers of people who are exceptionally rude about the opposition, their players, their supporters and their country: I've watched Ashes Tests at the MCG and SCG, and have managed to stray into the wrong bar in Melbourne on one rather scary occasion.

Getting on the wrong side of the Australian crowd is not sensible, as many cricketers Australian and non-Australian have discovered over more than a century - but it is remarkable how they don't hold grudges. After all, Larwood lived the majority of his life in Australia.

Cheers,

Mike
 

anzac

International Debutant
and bottom line it's still no where near the levels of abuse & violence as practised by ENG football fans.............or by IND cricket fans in the past.......

and that's not to say that I condone it, but I do not see anything wrong with a bit of passion in supporters, rather than just the polite applause from the "member's" stand.............
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
Mike, I dont have any Anti-Australian prejudice on this issue, My views would have been same if an Indian did this (Bedi comes to mind). ICC has the powers to Ban a player for illegal action and If it doesn't, then It is the failure of ICC not murali. Innocent until proven guilty, every heard of that ??

As for underarm,Warnie,Mark waugh etc, They were cheats as well but they are living happily enjoying their lives, then why single out Murali. I do feel that Murali is singled out(because of his success) while others are roaming free.
 
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a massive zebra

International Captain
badgerhair said:
If you actually examined the other incidents you mention, rather than just drawing on a deep well of anti-Australian prejudice, you would find that there are large numbers of Australians who have very low opinions of Mark Waugh and Shane Worn, although it's fair to point out that neither of them have wilfully broken the Laws of Cricket while playing a match, which would tend to lessen the likelhood of people shouting at them from the stands about it, which is why you might not have heard any organised chanting at the SCG.
But Murali has not wilfully broken the Laws of Cricket while playing a match.
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
anzac said:
and bottom line it's still no where near the levels of abuse & violence as practised by ENG football fans.............or by IND cricket fans in the past.......

and that's not to say that I condone it, but I do not see anything wrong with a bit of passion in supporters, rather than just the polite applause from the "member's" stand.............
Once again you are missing the point, Indian or English fans dont single out ONE player , their behaviour has remained consistent for every team and almost every player.
 

a massive zebra

International Captain
Sanz said:
As for underarm,Warnie,Mark waugh etc, They were cheats as well but they are living happily enjoying their lives, then why single out Murali. I do feel that Murali is singled out(because of his success) while others are roaming free.
Of course he is. He has been singled out for abuse because the anglo-Australians are jelous; they want Warne to be the record holder and cannot accept that a Sri Lankan could possibly be a better bowler than their idol.
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
anzac said:
I don't know what you are waiting for................his delivery action has been found to be outside the laws of the game.............case closed until further notice..........
If that is the case then why has ICC not banned him yet ??
 

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