Sri Lanka in Australia thread

[Raj123]

What's the solution then ?? I would definately not recommend fans taking the matters in their own hands and calling No-Balls before each delivery.

its not like the opposition is awarded a run each time the crowd no-balls. so why does it matter.

I fail to understand one more thing, Whole world (including me) thinks that Murali is a Chucker and he shouldn't be playing cricket or banned from playing cricket.

this is not true. as long as he doesnt bowl the illegal delivery i dont think anyone has a problem

 

[Sanz]

if an umpire "no balls" its a problem. why the hell does it matter what the fans do (or say, as long as they dont physically abuse you)

Has Murali ever fought/argued with any Umpire for calling a no-ball ? Let me give you an example, You have fraud case pending against you, You go to work and everyday people around you heckle you, abuse you and they continue to do it for years, will it be okay with you as long as they dont physically abuse you ??

coz he's getting paid to play

What kind of logic is that ? They pay him to play doesn't mean he will have to play all the time. He is paid to play not to get abused and heckled.

 

[Sanz]

its not like the opposition is awarded a run each time the crowd no-balls. so why does it matter.

What do you mean by that ?? No the opposition doesn't get awarded any runs but the bowler looses his concentration. I have seen spectators thrown out of stadiums for heckling players.

this is not true. as long as he doesnt bowl the illegal delivery i dont think anyone has a problem

Are you telling me that the crowds in the stadium are in a position to judge what you call an 'Illegal' delivery ?? Also they call 'No Ball' before the delivery is bowled, are you suggesting that the Crowd knows that Murali is going to bowl an illegal delivery before he completes his run up ??

 

[V Reddy]

Sanz, i think you are criticising the Aussie crowd in general a bit too much. Even Indian crowd targets Inzi personally by calling him Aloo [Potato] most of the time which even resulted in him once getting into the stands and fighting with an Indian supporter . I don't think the Aussies are booing the entire SRL team, right? On Aussies criticising him b'coz of Warne , well there are a lot of people from other countries too who have doubts over his action. I am for myself have and i am not that big a fan of Warne. Even Umpire Venkat in an Indian show said that he doubts the validity of Murali's action but does not want to comment much on it. About Murali not ever abusing an umpire, well he didn't but you know what was the fate of Darell Hair.

I agree with you though that the decision to tour rests with Murali. He must be getting a lot of advice asking him not to tour and i guess he must have been not keen himself going by previous experiences.I heard on news today that a survey conducted in SRL said that about 81 percent of the respondents didn't want him to tour Aus.

 

[Raj123]

Has Murali ever fought/argued with any Umpire for calling a no-ball ? Let me give you an example, You have fraud case pending against you, You go to work and everyday people around you heckle you, abuse you and they continue to do it for years, will it be okay with you as long as they dont physically abuse you ??

when rahul dravid was fined for "ball tampering" even the umpire mocked him. what did he do. put his head down, and did his job.
you are forgetting that its only a section of crowd that misbehaves. It happens in every sport and something every professional player has to be oblivious to.

 

[Raj123]

Are you telling me that the crowds in the stadium are in a position to judge what you call an 'Illegal' delivery ?? Also they call 'No Ball' before the delivery is bowled, are you suggesting that the Crowd knows that Murali is going to bowl an illegal delivery before he completes his run up ??

you didnt get what i mean. you said he is chucker and should be banned. i dont think every one shares that opinion.

 

[luckyeddie]

When did I say that ?? I never said that Aussie fans want Murali to Pull out. Infact Aussie fans dont want Murali to Pull out and some of them are really mad that this time they will not have chance to have a go at him.

My mistake...

I failed to miss, or not, the lack of the absence of a double negative.

 

[V Reddy]

Are you telling me that the crowds in the stadium are in a position to judge what you call an 'Illegal' delivery ?? Also they call 'No Ball' before the delivery is bowled, are you suggesting that the Crowd knows that Murali is going to bowl an illegal delivery before he completes his run up ??

A lot of people doubt the validity of his normal action . Its normal to assume that he will bowl with the same action and he continued to. It's just that others remain non-vocal regarding this issue while Aussies vocal regarding this particular issue. As Raj said, even Bucknor mocked Dravid

 

[Sanz]

As Raj said, even Bucknor mocked Dravid

You cant compare a one off incident with the constant heckling that Murali goes through. As for Dravid-Bucknor incident, AFAIK Indian team did report this matter to ICC. Imagine the situation when Bucknor starts doing it all the time ??

There is no place for assumptions in Cricket. Fans cant assume that murali is going to bowl with the same action and keep shouting no-ball again and again.

 

[Sanz]

Sanz, i think you are criticising the Aussie crowd in general a bit too much. Even Indian crowd targets Inzi personally by calling him Aloo [Potato] most of the time which even resulted in him once getting into the stands and fighting with an Indian supporter . I don't think the Aussies are booing the entire SRL team, right? On Aussies criticising him b'coz of Warne , well there are a lot of people from other countries too who have doubts over his action. I am for myself have and i am not that big a fan of Warne. Even Umpire Venkat in an Indian show said that he doubts the validity of Murali's action but does not want to comment much on it. About Murali not ever abusing an umpire, well he didn't but you know what was the fate of Darell Hair.
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If an Umpire is afraid of calling 'No-Ball' because of any fear then he should quit. What happened to Darell Hair, I think he is still there umpring and much respected. He didn't single out murali, IMO he was consistent in No-ball calls.

Inzy being called 'Aloo' is more of teasing than an abuse. The incident you are talking about was in Toronto and that particular spectator was using foul language throughout the game and that too with a megaphone.

 

[badgerhair]

Puhlese..cut that crap. How many times have we seen players from australia, NZ, England skipping the tour of sub-continet for reasons best known to them. Richard Hadlee, Ian Botahm etc come to my mind and I still remember as a Kid how much I wanted to see Hadlee to Play in the World Cup 1987 but he refused to tour India. Recently NZ players opted out of Pakistan tour, Mcgill opted out of Zim tour.

I know you will have an excuse for every one of those incidents.

Of course, you fully respect the rights of those players to skip those tours. You do not in any way criticise them. You don't think they were in any way craven, just as it is not chickening out for Murali to refuse to play the best team in the world while boosting his figures taking hatfuls of wickets against the Zimbabwe B team.

I look forward to your paeans of praise for Andy Caddick saying he wouldn't go to India because there were too many Muslims there.

Or is it just all right for you to take potshots at English and Australian players for doing what a lot of us are criticising Murali for doing - chickening out of a tour?

Cheers,

Mike

 

[Sanz]

Of course, you fully respect the rights of those players to skip those tours. You do not in any way criticise them. You don't think they were in any way craven, just as it is not chickening out for Murali to refuse to play the best team in the world while boosting his figures taking hatfuls of wickets against the Zimbabwe B team.

Yes, I do, Did you see me criticizing Macgill for not touring Zim ?? As for your new twist that murali is chickening out because he doesn't want to play against the best team, let me refresh you memory and tell you that Murali was the Highest wicket taker in the recent SL-Aus series. And what is this BS about playing against the Zimbabwe B team, Didn't Australian Players play against B teams like Bangladesh and recently with the same Zim team Murali played against ?

I look forward to your paeans of praise for Andy Caddick saying he wouldn't go to India because there were too many Muslims there.

Show me one post of mine where I have praised Murali for staying away from the tour, All I have said is I respect his decision and I would have done same thing If I were in his shoes. I have never criticized Andy Caddick either OTOH I haven't seen you criticising Stuart Macgill for refusing to our Zimbabwe or Criticing NZ/Eng players for withdrawing from Pakistan/India tours. This is hypocrisy. I am looking forward to you criticizing MAcgill for listening to his INNER VOICE.

Or is it just all right for you to take potshots at English and Australian players for doing what a lot of us are criticising Murali for doing - chickening out of a tour?

Pot, Kettle Black..sounds familiar ?? I didn't read a single post of any australian criticizing Macgill for listening to his 'INNER VOICE' or subcontinent not good enough for some Australian/NZ/Eng players.

 

[Andre]

Show me one post of mine where I have praised Murali for staying away from the tour, All I have said is I respect his decision and I would have done same thing If I were in his shoes.

I think I spot a contradiction!

 

[Sanz]

Yes Andre, I respect his decision to not travel to Australia, same way I respect Macgill's decision to not Tour Zimbabwe but If you think it is same as me praising their decision then what can I say ??

You can think whatever you want, It wont change my opinion.

 

[a massive zebra]

Prime stupidity
Christian Ryan
June 16, 2004

Sir Robert Menzies, among his many good turns for Australian cricket through the 1950s and 60s, once paid for a young Keith Stackpole to receive legspin coaching from Clarrie Grimmett. John Howard's one and only contribution has been to put paid to any hope of Muttiah Muralitharan touring Australia. Eight of the lamest, laziest, least considered words uttered by any prime minister on any sport – "they proved it in Perth with that thing" – will go down as Howard's cricketing legacy.

If ever a prime minister might have involved himself in cricket it was two months ago, when he could have dug administrators out of a hole by insisting that no Australian side would play against a Zimbabwe XI selected on the basis of skin colour. Instead Howard maintained he didn't "want to tell Cricket Australia what to do".

If ever a prime minister might have stayed tactfully silent it was upon being questioned about Murali's bowling action, a topic which has fans, Test legends and biomechanical boffins alike deeply divided. Instead Howard opened his big mouth.

The gut instinct among many Australians is to think Murali is a sook for not coming. But we should imagine ourselves in his shoes.

Melbourne is the city where an umpire first calls you for throwing. Adelaide is where, just when you think life's gone back to normal, it happens again. Perth is the place you journey every couple of winters to prove you're not a dirty rotten cheat. Brisbane is where Darren Lehmann bellows "black c---s" after you and your mates run him out one night. Everywhere blokes with beerguts stick their flabby right arms out horizontally and holler "no-ball" just as you're about to let the thing go.

And then the boss of the country, with waving arms and smiling eyes, tells a bunch of suits at a party luncheon that he reckons you're a chucker. Let's face reality. Australia has not gone out of its way to make this man welcome.

Murali's minders say his decision to stay home is about all these things, and not just John Howard. But there is no doubting the instant when his resolve hardened. As Murali himself put it the day after Howard's intervention: "I thought of coming to Australia but now I will think three times before I come."

Back home, Howard's words were seen for what they were: a politician shooting his mouth off on a subject he knew little about. It was unfortunate but, ultimately, a bit of a giggle.

Around the rest of the cricket-playing world his comments were viewed through a racist prism. This was as unavoidable as it was unfair. After all, he is a prime minister best known internationally for turning away boatloads of asylum seekers and refusing to say sorry to generations of Aboriginal children stolen from their families. A month before volunteering his inexpert opinion on Murali, Howard abolished ATSIC – the democratically elected Aboriginal body – without bothering to consult anyone or come up with a suitable alternative. It is no wonder if Murali now feels he had little alternative.

The buck doesn't stop with Howard either. Cricket and race have a shabby track record round these parts, even if you leave aside Lehmann's lapse and Jimmy Maher's regrettably sozzled confession – "I'm as full as a coon's Valiant" – on national TV a decade ago.

Jason Gillespie is the first and last Test cricketer with Aboriginal roots. Players from Asia and the subcontinent haven't had much of a look-in either. Tot up every Aboriginal first-class player in the past 153 years and you're left just shy of a 1st XI, never mind a whole squad. Gillespie and Mike Hussey are spending this weekend tutoring indigenous cricketers on the Tiwi Islands, north of Darwin, then taking part in a match between the kids and adults. This is fabulous news. It is also unprecedented, and therefore several decades overdue.

Now Murali is staying home and we're all losers. Menzies, Howard's great spiritual mentor, might be feeling a little ashamed if he was still alive. The tour, minus Murali and maybe Shane Warne too, promises to be yet another excruciating mis-advertisement for midwinter Test matches. Murali, meanwhile, has to sit back and put up with the great Dennis Lillee branding him "pathetic". It is an ugly hour.

The sad thing is most Australian cricket followers would love to see him out here. Whether he chucks or not – and the verdict round the pubs of the land is still decidedly mixed – is irrelevant. The people intrigued and interested in watching Murali bowl are many; the yobbos who heckle and call him names are few. Yet it's hard to escape the feeling that when future historians study the curious, unhappy relationship between Australia and the world's greatest bowler, we are the ones who will be called names.

 

[marc71178]

Didn't he take a banned substance before the world Cup despite being given a list of all the banned substance by Cricket Australia ??

That is not a performance enhancing drug - hence I asked you for proof (which you cannot provide because it doesn't exist)

I am not attacking any nation here

And my nickname on here isn't marc71178.

 

[marc71178]

Moreover Why cant we have a player stay away from a tour ??

We can if his reasons aren't so pathetic.

 

[marc71178]

Infact Aussie fans dont want Murali to Pull out and some of them are really mad that this time they will not have chance to have a go at him.

And you just claimed you're attacking any country when you say something like this?

 

[marc71178]

Recently NZ players opted out of Pakistan tour, Mcgill opted out of Zim tour.

I know you will have an excuse for every one of those incidents.

How blinkered are you?

The NZ players opted out (after being given the choice) because they'd been very close to being killed last time they were out there.

MacGill was taking a much-admired stand against Mugabe.

Murali is just a coward.

 

[marc71178]

Whole world (including me) thinks that Murali is a Chucker and he shouldn't be playing cricket or banned from playing cricket.

2 points:

1. If he shouldn't be playing Cricket, and he shouldn't be banned, do you want him to retire?
2. Its by no means the whole world that thinks he's a chucker.