South Africa Domestic Season 2024/25

[Bahseph]

Gqamane having his time in the sun here. First List A fifty in 10 years and it’s in the final.

 

[Stefan9]

Simelane did well to hold his nerve. Dolphins just enough to take trophy.
This competition also saves their bacon regarding relegation. So they will be very happy.

 

[Stefan9]

Tuskers and inyathi shared the b division one day cup.

 

[Stefan9]

CSA have created an even a bigger mess. Don't see how the warriors get to keep the amount of wins if they lost the points. In football if you field an ineligible player you get an automatic 3-0 loss.

'Knights being opportunistic, disingenuous'

The fallout from the One-Day Cup quota controversy continues.

www.sacricketmag.com

 

[Dendarii]

If the Dolphins hadn't been awarded any points then it could have stayed at 4 wins with a points deduction, but because they were then it definitely counts as a forfeited match and the Warriors should go down to 3 wins.

But wouldn't they still be ahead of the Knights on NRR? Unless the Knights are arguing that also needs to be adjusted, in which case they do have a point if the Warriors are deemed to have lost the match.

 

[Stefan9]

If the Dolphins hadn't been awarded any points then it could have stayed at 4 wins with a points deduction, but because they were then it definitely counts as a forfeited match and the Warriors should go down to 3 wins.

But wouldn't they still be ahead of the Knights on NRR? Unless the Knights are arguing that also needs to be adjusted, in which case they do have a point if the Warriors are deemed to have lost the match.

Knights are arguing as the warriors lost the points it should count as a loss and warriors should lose the win and any nrr gained.
Their argument is logical for me.

 

[SeamUp]

Then if the Knights win the case they more or less secure from relegation & won't lose sponsorships. CSA has opened a can of worms.

 

[SeamUp]

All comes down to the 4-day series

Lions 4 83.96
Titans 4 71.24
Knights 5 64.94
Boland 4 62.42
Dolphins 4 58.16
WP 4 50.54
Dragons 4 50.42
Warriors 5 37.64


20-23 March
Dolphins v Dragons
Titans v WP
Boland v Lions
Warriors v Knights

27-30 March
WP v Boland
Titans v Dragons
Lions v Dolphins

3-6 April
Warriors v Dolphins
Knights v Lions
Titans v Boland
Dragons v WP

10-13 April
Final

 

[StephenZA]

I mean this all makes complete sense. Punish the areas of the country that have the highest likelihood of producing black players, who consistently have those players 'stolen' because the larger franchises have the monies. And then wonder why you are not producing enough players of colour.

 

[StephenZA]

I mean we can discuss to death the failure of CSA, and their many poor attributes. But the problem in cricket is largely a socio-economic problem. Much like what is happenening throughout SA.

What is the percentage of SA players that have come though the private high end school system? It's not a unique problem to SA, but it does have a disproportionate effect when combined with SA's history.

 

[Stefan9]

Didn't even know we had t10 competitions but apparently Boland held one. Now under corruption investigation...

Boland T10 under investigation

Cricket South Africa (CSA) has launched an investigation into the inaugural edition of the Boland T10, which was played in September 2024. The probe is being conducted by CSA’s anti-corruption unit…

zacricket.com

 

[Dendarii]

Knights are arguing as the warriors lost the points it should count as a loss

Being deducted points as a punishment is a standard practice in sports leagues and the record of the results wouldn't be changed if it was only the offending team who were affected. What makes it a loss in this case is that the Dolphins were given the points for the match.

It's a good thing the Dolphins weren't tied with anyone. If the Warriors' NRR were to be removed then so should the Dolphins'. That could have been very problematic if their NRR had played a role in the final standings.

 

[SeamUp]

I mean we can discuss to death the failure of CSA, and their many poor attributes. But the problem in cricket is largely a socio-economic problem. Much like what is happenening throughout SA.

What is the percentage of SA players that have come though the private high end school system? It's not a unique problem to SA, but it does have a disproportionate effect when combined with SA's history.

Agreed. Cricket is an expensive game full stop but also it takes time and patience. Lots of kids of all races would prefer rugby or football. This makes it especially tough to introduce to non-cricketing families.

I could be the tragic I am and list the schools first teams from the sporting schools and you would be surprised at looking how transformed they are. Particularly Joburg & surrounds & KZN. WP cricket still has a problem with Black African production. Coloured/Malay no issues. They've been going to the top Cape Town schools for some time. Pretoria and surrounds produces the highest number of white players in the country and you look at their teams & it is mainly white. The Afrikaans-speaking one's might get a coloured now & again whilst the English-speaking will have some Black-Africans. Both WP & Titans take the Hubs programme quite seriously though which is good.

Eastern Province and Free State are on a down-turn full-stop. I worry they could go the way of Border. Grahamstown or Makhanda now, King Williams Town, Queenstown, Graaf-Reneit rich in cricketing tradition produces nothing now. That is looking at the Eastern Cape. But then what about guys like Elgar, McMillan, Bradley Player, Herman Bakkes, Tshabalala from dorps in the Free State.

You a talented boy from Easterns you preferring going to Joburg or Pretoria.

NW & Boland steadily on the up. NW mainy white-afrikaans or Black African but kids are going to Pretoria or Joburg if they can. Boland mainly Coloured and then White-afrikaans.

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

One Day Cup Team of the Tournament?

1.Jordan Hermann (Warriors)
323 runs @53.83 , SR 85

2.Lhuan-dre Pretorius (Titans)
316 runs @45.14 , SR 120

3.Jon Jon Smuts (Dolphins)
473 runs @52.55, SR 91.13

4.Dewald Brevis (Titans)
398 runs @66.33, SR 156

5.Hanu Viljoen (WK) (Dolphins)
238 runs @79.33, SR 79

6.Dian Forrester (Knights)
346 runs @69.20 , SR 98

7.Tiaan Van Vuuren (Knights)
13 wickets @16.61, Economy 4.83
144 runs @28.80, SR 102

8.Imraan Manack (Boland)
16 wickets @16.50, Economy 3.76

9.Matthew Boast (Titans)
11 wickets @17.09 , Economy 5.69

10.Kyle Simmonds (Western Province)
16 wickets @15.18 , Economy 3.97

11.Tristan Luus (Dolphins)
14 wickets @15.78 , Economy 4.83

 

[SeamUp]

One Day Cup Team of the Tournament?

1.Jordan Hermann (Warriors)
323 runs @53.83 , SR 85

2.Lhuan-dre Pretorius (Titans)
316 runs @45.14 , SR 120

3.Jon Jon Smuts (Dolphins)
473 runs @52.55, SR 91.13

4.Dewald Brevis (Titans)
398 runs @66.33, SR 156

5.Hanu Viljoen (WK) (Dolphins)
238 runs @79.33, SR 79

6.Dian Forrester (Knights)
346 runs @69.20 , SR 98

7.Tiaan Van Vuuren (Knights)
13 wickets @16.61, Economy 4.83
144 runs @28.80, SR 102

8.Imraan Manack (Boland)
16 wickets @16.50, Economy 3.76

9.Matthew Boast (Titans)
11 wickets @17.09 , Economy 5.69

10.Kyle Simmonds (Western Province)
16 wickets @15.18 , Economy 3.97

11.Tristan Luus (Dolphins)
14 wickets @15.78 , Economy 4.83

Fun team. All types of bowling options which includes 8 bowling options.

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

Fun team. All types of bowling options which includes 8 bowling options.

Bats all the way down to 10 , 8 bowling options,great fielding side, power hitters , anchors , all rounders , pace bowlers

Basically the 90's blueprint which gives any captain flexibility. That's how we should set up the white ball side for the Proteas in my opinion

 

[SeamUp]

Bats all the way down to 10 , 8 bowling options,great fielding side, power hitters , anchors , all rounders , pace bowlers

Basically the 90's blueprint which gives any captain flexibility. That's how we should set up the white ball side for the Proteas in my opinion

In an ideal world, hopefully we can find that balance again for our white-ball cricket.

 

[SeamUp]

4-day series resumes tomorrow. Some squads are out.

The likely XIs for those out

WP
Moore, De Zorzi, D Smith, Bedingham , Verreynne (wk & c), Linde, Nyaku, Mpongwana, Paterson, Lawrence, Bedja

Reserve: Whitehead, Nabe & Raeeq Daniels (would be his debut if he plays)
* Simmonds has joined Burger & B Hendricks on the injury table.

Dolphins
Erwee, Dithole, Parsons, J Smith, Zondo, Viljoen (wk), Simelane, Maharaj (c), Subrayen, Luus, Dupavillon

Reserve: van Staden, Pillay, Cele
* E Bosch rested & Ackerman & Baartman remain on the sidelines.

Titans
Van Heerden, Brand (c), Pretorius, Petersen, Brevis, Moonsamy (wk), Phehlukwayo, Galiem, Boast, Ndwandwa, Dala

Reserve: Brett + Brayden Hicks& Sandiswa Yeni (latter 2 would be their debut)
* Obviously loads of guys away in the IPL

 

[SeamUp]

Warriors have to be beating the Knights if they are going to survive. And their 3 best players aren't involved ie Nortje, Stubbs and Breetzke

Imagine this is their best XI (easy to pick with limitations to selection.)

J Hermann
J Du Plessis
M De Villiers
S Qeshile
A Mokgakane
S Muthusamy (c)
P Kruger
B Swanepoel
D Olivier / CJ King
J Raubenheimer
S Plaatjie / A Mothoa

Can't see Rosier, J Pillay, JP King, Simetu, Alder or Meyer playing.

 

[SeamUp]

And the ironic thing is that Breetzke, Stubbs and Nortje are the only EP-produced players in their squad.