Simon Jones or James Anderson?

[steds]

Jones hass come back from his career threatening injusy and has bowled well for glamorgan last season

on the few occasions they decided to play him

 

[sledger]

on the few occasions they decided to play him

yeh this adds more to the argument, i mean can a bowler who is picked so sparely by his county really be fully worthy of an england place?

after all anderson would probably get ino any county side in the country but i dont think the same could be said for jones....

 

[marc71178]

I don't think Anderson would necessarily get in any side.

Jones' situation was understandable from Glamorgan's point of view and indicates a slight problem with the central contract system.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I don't think Anderson would necessarily get in any side.

Jones' situation was understandable from Glamorgan's point of view and indicates a slight problem with the central contract system.

To be fair to Anderson, he did take 19 wickets @ 19.68 in his 4 CC appearances this past season. Add that to 14 wickets @ 19.07 in the National League and C&G and he was in pretty good form for Lancashire.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

I don't think Anderson would necessarily get in any side.

Jones' situation was understandable from Glamorgan's point of view and indicates a slight problem with the central contract system.

Counties should be forced to play players who England want played. It is afterall good for the counties the better England do.

 

[marc71178]

That's controversial though - forcing a county to drop a player that they're paying for one that they're not.

 

[bryce]

remember the counties are also in a competition and they want to field the side they think that has the best chance of getting the desired result and if some players arn't in their plans then so be it.
we had a similar situation here in new zealand in the rugby union NPC where carter never got one start at first-five even though the national selectors were asking the canterbury management to give him a run there

 

[tooextracool]

well obviously if a swing bowler isn't getting swing then he's in trouble isn't he, the point i was trying to make is that in conditions when the ball will swing you have to pitch it up otherwise it isn't going to swing and it can be very effective in ODI's

yes obviously you pitch it up when the conditions are conducive for swing/seam bowling. but the point is that conditions in ODIs rarely are conducive for pace bowlers, on the contrary they are on flat tracks and by pitching it up you are only asking to be slaughtered.

i beg to differ - i was watching highlights of WC2003 and he bowled brilliantly against pakistan and got an enormous amount of swing aswell as four wickets and his average suggests he has been a quite successful wicket-taker even if it has been climbing due to lack of form,it's not suprising he has a high ER - if a swing bowler gets it wrong then they are easily put away and we all know anderson isn't the most accurate bowler around

yes i know what he did against pakistan, of course the fact that under the lights with the ball swinging and seaming all over the place it doesnt take much to take wickets in the first place. as nehras 6 wickets against england would suggest. its also interesting that when he played on what are most common ODI tracks- against india(1st innings) and against australia he was hammered. and since then hes been hammered in every game with the odd exception on any wicket without helpful conditions.

 

[tooextracool]

and i wonder how you have so many posts... 9 in a row
youve spoilt this thread for me 2EC

nowhere near the highest in a row.

 

[Richard]

lets just say this, on the occasions hes looked to be injury free and bowling at his best hes looked extremely good, and given that that we've seen that in 2 out of the last 3 games, id say hes done a fairly good job. its glaringly obvious to anyone who watched him bowl that he has a hell of a lot of potential.

I don't really like to judge whether someone's got potential on such a stop-start career as his.

 

[Richard]

he was supposed to have had a bruised toe against the WI.

Something that was never confirmed and something that you simply have to bowl through if you want to be a good bowler.
No-one is fully fit for close to every game they play.

 

[Richard]

of course the fact that he bowled far better in the game against NZ than his figures suggest doesnt go to show anything does it? or the fact that he was carrying an injury in the other game?

He may have been carrying a minor injury, the sort of which does not have much of an effect on the best players.
The whole point of showing three games is that if he keeps bowling well having been unlucky (as he was against New Zealand) the bad luck will be cancelled-out.

i really do wonder if you watched the game against NZ or the one against SA because if you still think that hes not good enough after that then you really musy be out of your mind.

If you watch every game - rather than being selective and watching certain games here and there - you'll get the picture that we can't even begin to be certain whether he's good enough or not.

 

[Richard]

i really can see where this is going, if jones were to end up being successful at the intl level you wouldnt be able to get over the fact that someone who has failed at the domestic level has succeeded at the intl level. go on live in your dream world where domestic cricket is the be all and end all.

Yet you've said so many times that anyone who's going to be successful at the international level will have success at the domestic.
I've never said domestic cricket is the be-all-and-end-all but it's not meaningless and if Jones is to be an international success he'll have to do something he's not done so far.

 

[Richard]

To be fair to Anderson, he did take 19 wickets @ 19.68 in his 4 CC appearances this past season. Add that to 14 wickets @ 19.07 in the National League and C&G and he was in pretty good form for Lancashire.

But remember that these don't mean a thing because any county competition is of an impalatably low standard and means precisely nothing compared to the pressure of international cricket.

 

[sledger]

But remember that these don't mean a thing because any county competition is of an impalatably low standard and means precisely nothing compared to the pressure of international cricket.

yes but this suggests that he is one of engalnds premier bowlers....
theoretically speaking isnt the best of a bad bunch better than the mediocre players in that bunch ?

this information although does flatter anderson does back up the fact that he is probably one of the best bowlers at englands disposal if they choose to use him

 

[SpaceMonkey]

He just needs to bowl. Tbh if he doesnt make it into the England team for the ashes he should play as many matches for Lancashire as he can.

 

[Richard]

yes but this suggests that he is one of engalnds premier bowlers....
theoretically speaking isnt the best of a bad bunch better than the mediocre players in that bunch ?

this information although does flatter anderson does back up the fact that he is probably one of the best bowlers at englands disposal if they choose to use him

I don't believe what I wrote for a second - I was summing-up what is something close to (only slightly exaggerated) some people's ideas of English cricket.
Sarcasm, it's called.

 

[Richard]

He just needs to bowl. Tbh if he doesnt make it into the England team for the ashes he should play as many matches for Lancashire as he can.

He should have been playing last season, too - instead he was injured, playing ODIs or bowling rubbish in Test-matches.

 

[sledger]

well in fairness to the lad his bowling in the tests against the west indies wasnt that bad really considering his long absences from that form of the game, he was not at his best no, but all the same all he needed would have been match practice.

 

[Richard]

It was terrible for the first 5 innings and quite a bit better in the final one.