Simon Jones or James Anderson?

[Mr Casson]

Not much point swinging if you don't pitch it up.

 

[BoyBrumby]

I would have to give the Welshman the nod at the moment. As others have pointed out, Anderson is more reliant on swing from the pitch & the conditions. As Jones is a bit quicker (or at least potentially) & can reverse swing the old ball I would back him to do more on dead tracks like the one for the first test.

Maybe give Jimmy the nod at places like Edgbaston & Headingly tho.

 

[marc71178]

haha Miller was one of the more entertaining anyway

I always liked him for the way he played the game - as a game!

 

[Tom Halsey]

By the same token, when has Jones ever been truly fit?

Well, unfortunate as it is, that's another liability. We can't have another Tudor.

 

[tooextracool]

Not much point swinging if you don't pitch it up.

not in ODIs. hoggards tried doing that and got hammered.

 

[Majin]

I don't like either of them, but if I had to choose i'd probably go for Jones.

 

[bryce]

not in ODIs. hoggards tried doing that and got hammered.

and alot of others have done it with success

 

[a massive zebra]

not a hope in hell

Well Kirtley ran through South Africa in a way Anderson or Jones have never done against anyone, and outbowled Harmison in the Tests they played together. Saggers was never given a fair chance despite far more impressive bowling performances than either Hoggard, Flintoff, Jones or Anderson.

 

[Arjun]

Well Kirtley ran through South Africa in a way Anderson or Jones have never done against anyone, and outbowled Harmison in the Tests they played together. Saggers was never given a fair chance despite far more impressive bowling performances than either Hoggard, Flintoff, Jones or Anderson.

When Kirtley ran through the South Africans, there were doubts expressed whether the Trent pitch was prepared well for a Test match. The same Kirtley had struggled in Headingley, then at the Oval, then in SL.

Saggers doesn't have the best Test average, does he? He's again a swing bowler, and there already is Hoggard in the side. He may be a good choice within England, but outside? Maybe he needs to bowl with the new ball, because when he took the old ball in a Test played recently, he got his wickets at over 40 runs a wicket.

Jones has the advantage of extra pace, which makes him competitive on a flat track. When he bowls fast, batsmen don't have the time to adjust their batting stance and select their shots, and he can take advantage of that by pitching the ball in places they don't like. He can be used strategically, against specific batsmen, with a plan at hand. Someone mentioned reverse swing, and he can use it to good effect at his pace. If he can combine raw pace with planning (the coach has a role here, and video analysis helps too) in a match, he can be a genuine matchwinner, which few expect of most swing bowlers.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Well Kirtley ran through South Africa in a way Anderson or Jones have never done against anyone, and outbowled Harmison in the Tests they played together. Saggers was never given a fair chance despite far more impressive bowling performances than either Hoggard, Flintoff, Jones or Anderson.

Saggers didn't impress me - and clearly the selectors thought the same. As it stands, Flintoff, Harmison and Hoggard are certain picks, leaving one more selection. Anderson is too alike to Hoggard to risk unless it's very very swingy conditions, and Jones has an extra dimension in his reverse-swing. We have in all likelihood seen the last of him and Kirtley in the three lions, injury crisis permitting.

Not doing so shabby today, neither.

 

[PAKMAN]

jones in tests and adreson in odi's

 

[tooextracool]

and alot of others have done it with success

like who?

 

[tooextracool]

well i hope simon jones has answered all his critics. pretty much won the game today and finally bowled to his potential.
lets just hope that anderson stays out of the english side for a while now.

 

[marc71178]

Well Kirtley ran through South Africa in a way Anderson or Jones have never done against anyone,

Spoke a tad too soon there?

 

[Richard]

By the same token, when has Jones ever been truly fit?

Test debut
First Test v Australia (only bowled 7 overs though)
Against West Indies and New Zealand at Lord's
The current game
I'm presuming you mean "when has he been truly fit when playing Test-cricket".

 

[Richard]

Jones ability to reverse the ball will get him in the team every time ahead of Anderson. If you have Anderson instead of Jones then you're relying on the ball swinging naturally too much due to having Hoggard in the team as well.

What's "unnatural" about reverse-swing????
Conventional and reverse swing are both perfectly natural, they just need different ball-conditions!

 

[Langeveldt]

Anderson... Because I don't hate him so much

 

[Richard]

When Kirtley ran through the South Africans, there were doubts expressed whether the Trent pitch was prepared well for a Test match. The same Kirtley had struggled in Headingley, then at the Oval, then in SL.

Kirtley didn't play at The Oval, and while he was poor at Headingley, he was still better than Flintoff and Bicknell.

Saggers doesn't have the best Test average, does he? He's again a swing bowler, and there already is Hoggard in the side. He may be a good choice within England, but outside? Maybe he needs to bowl with the new ball, because when he took the old ball in a Test played recently, he got his wickets at over 40 runs a wicket.

Certainly much better with the new-ball than not. But I'm not totally convinved about him anyway.

Jones has the advantage of extra pace

Extra than what?
He rarely touches 90mph these days - it's not all that surprising that the injury has taken something out of him.

which makes him competitive on a flat track. When he bowls fast, batsmen don't have the time to adjust their batting stance and select their shots, and he can take advantage of that by pitching the ball in places they don't like. He can be used strategically, against specific batsmen, with a plan at hand. Someone mentioned reverse swing, and he can use it to good effect at his pace. If he can combine raw pace with planning (the coach has a role here, and video analysis helps too) in a match, he can be a genuine matchwinner, which few expect of most swing bowlers.

Any decent swing-bowler can be a matchwinner, all it takes is good control of line-and-length.
Some examples: Allan Donald, Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, Darren Gough, Jason Gillespie, Damien Fleming, Chaminda Vaas. Want any more? There have been plenty!
You're not often going to win matches without being able to swing the ball!

 

[Richard]

well i hope simon jones has answered all his critics. pretty much won the game today and finally bowled to his potential.
lets just hope that anderson stays out of the english side for a while now.

As we all know is that he's played a big part in winning a single game.

 

[Richard]

Spoke a tad too soon there?

Because we all know how much a single game proves, don't we?
He's got to do it more than once.