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Ranking the Batsmen

chaminda_00

Hall of Fame Member
adharcric said:
UPDATE: Hayden 2, Barrington 1, Gilchrist 1, Kallis 1

This has turned into a bit of a farce lately ... not because Trumper got in but because some of you can't seem to comprehend the idea of a democratic vote. Let's get those votes in now and finish this off well.
There has been a lot of guys who got in and i thought they were too high, but i expected it cus its a democratic process. But as Aussie Tragic said its all cus of Trumper, there is about 20 odd batsmen infront of him if not more. Anyway cus of the effort you have put in i'll keep voting.

Barrington
 

aussie tragic

International Captain
I just changed my vote from Harvey to Boycott

...how can we leave out a player who at one time was the leading run scorer in tests (especially since he took the record from Sobers)
 
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silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
aussie tragic said:
nah...it's because Trumper's in at 20....:ph34r:

Sorry, can't think of a player to follow Trumper... can think of at least a dozen Aussies ahead of him though...

Openers

Barnes
Morris
Simpson
Lawry
Slater
Hayden
Langer

Middle Order

Harvey
Walters
I. Chappell
M. Waugh
Gilchrist


.....but anyway, I'll go Harvey
Oh my God, we actually agree on something? :eek:
 

aussie tragic

International Captain
silentstriker said:
Oh my God, we actually agree on something? :eek:

We've agreed on something before, let me remind you of your post:

silentstriker said:
All right fine. My love of stats > my love of McGrath. McGrath is the 5th best aussie bowler ever.
btw, how come you haven't been kicked out of GM-OLAS for that comment :laugh:
 
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silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
aussie tragic said:
btw, how come you haven't been kicked out of GM-OLAS for that comment :laugh:
Because as an agent of the Devil, you lie and misrepresent the truth. I've never said that.
 
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Matt79

Hall of Fame Member
adharcric said:
We have a tie between Trumper and Barrington. I vote for Trumper. :laugh:

The List
1. Don Bradman (AUS)
2. Garry Sobers (WI)
3. Jack Hobbs (ENG)
4. Sachin Tendulkar (IND)
5. Viv Richards (WI)
6. Brian Lara (WI)
7. Sunil Gavaskar (IND)
8. Wally Hammond (ENG)
9. Greg Chappell (AUS)
10. George Headley (WI)
11. Graeme Pollock (RSA)
12. Everton Weekes (WI)
13. Len Hutton (ENG)
14. Steve Waugh (AUS)
15. Clyde Walcott (WI)
16. Ricky Ponting (AUS)
17. Herbert Sutcliffe (ENG)
18. Allan Border (AUS)
19. Rahul Dravid (IND)
20. Javed Miandad (PAK)
21. Victor Trumper (AUS)

The vote for the #22 batsman of all-time begins now.

The Contenders
Allelujah!! It only took 10 rounds of whinging and voting! :)

I vote for WG Grace for the next slot.
 

Matt79

Hall of Fame Member
How anyone can say that Grace wasn't one of the greatest batsmen ever is quite beyond me. Its one thing to have a text book technique, its another thing to basically re-write the book. A great scientist once said that if I see far, it's because I stand on the shoulders of giants, and Grace is about as Giant as they come. Would you say that your high-school science teacher is a better scientist than Newton, because he understands more about physics than Newton did? No, and its non-sensical to say that Adam Gilchrist is a better batsman than Grace IMO.

Deal with it! :p
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Matt79 said:
How anyone can say that Grace wasn't one of the greatest batsmen ever is quite beyond me. Its one thing to have a text book technique, its another thing to basically re-write the book. A great scientist once said that if I see far, it's because I stand on the shoulders of giants, and Grace is about as Giant as they come. Would you say that your high-school science teacher is a better scientist than Newton, because he understands more about physics than Newton did? No, and its non-sensical to say that Adam Gilchrist is a better batsman than Grace IMO.

Deal with it! :p
Its impossible to 'rate' anyone from that era IMO. The game was waaaay too different, its almost a different sport. How would grace do against the pace of Thompson or Akhtar or Lee? I have no idea, and neither do you..a different sport mate.

If you wanted to rank him, you'd need another list of Pre-WWI batsman.
 

Matt79

Hall of Fame Member
silentstriker said:
Its impossible to 'rate' anyone from that era IMO. The game was waaaay too different, its almost a different sport. How would grace do against the pace of Thompson or Akhtar or Lee? I have no idea, and neither do you..a different sport mate.

If you wanted to rank him, you'd need another list of Pre-WWI batsman.
I disagree, I think you can make some comparisons. He was clearly the greatest batsman the game had seen to that point. His record against his contemporaries speaks for itself. I reckon saying "well how would he fair against Thompson, Holding or Akhtar" is about as valid as asking how Barnes would fair against Ponting, Tendaulkar or Richards. The average standard of batting has probably increased as much as the standard of bowling, but I'd say that the two have moved forward at roughly enough the same speed to make performances comparable. I frankly don't care whether he'd go well against today's bowlers - I rank players mainly on how well they did against the available opposition, and Grace dominated his available opposition to an extent Gilchrist, Kallis, Barrington and Compton could only dream about. Note, I didn't have him in my top 5 or even top 10, but to suggest that the man who redefined the sport and laid the foundation for the modern batting technique has no place at all in a list of the greatest batsmen in the sport is strange IMO...
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
But we aren't picking the most influential people in cricket, if we were Grace would be a shoo in at or near the top.
 

Matt79

Hall of Fame Member
We're picking the 25 "greatest batsmen of all time". Not the best players of the modern era, or the 25 players who have the highest levels of absolute performance. "Greatest" can be interpreted by people however they want it to be - and the democratic process will mean that whichever definition of 'greatest' the most people favour will get up.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Matt79 said:
We're picking the 25 "greatest batsmen of all time". Not the best players of the modern era
It is implicit that vast majority of the players will be from the modern era, because of the word 'greatest'.

Matt79 said:
"Greatest" can be interpreted by people however they want it to be - and the democratic process will mean that whichever definition of 'greatest' the most people favour will get up.
That in not in dispute.
 

nightprowler10

Global Moderator
I think I'm in the same boat as SS (:-O ) as far as the WG debate goes. As a cricket personality, I think WG would be and rightly should be ranked as one of the very best. But as a pure batsman he, unfortunately, never got a chance to really prove himself on the test scene. I've read bits and pieces of his biography, and I think he was the greatest cricketer to come out of England by a country mile, but this thread is meant for pure batsmen, and even though he averaged between 60 and 70 at one point in his FC career, his lack of test experience has to go against him. If we were to weigh a players FC stats so high, surely Bart King would top every ranking that has to do with bowling.
 

Lillian Thomson

Hall of Fame Member
silentstriker said:
It is implicit that vast majority of the players will be from the modern era, because of the word 'greatest'.

That in not in dispute.

In most polls on any subject the current favourites will always be rated higher than they might deserve. That's why in music polls idiotic boy bands like Westlife and pointless, talentless dross like Girls Aloud will often be ranked above The Beatles. But these bands contribution to music is less than zero. But in 40 years time The Beatles will still be ranked just below the favourites at that time and the favourites of today will be no where to be seen. Similarly in 40 years time Bradman, Sobers and Hobbs will still at the top on many polls but with the exception of Lara and Tendulkar some of the current favourites won't warrent a mention.
 

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