Ranking the Batsmen

[chaminda_00]

What makes you think of Morris as a class above Trumper? And I don't recall ever seeing Lawry or Woodful rated ahead of Trumper in an all time Australian XI. Or Langer, for that matter. Trumper, Morris and Ponsford seem to be the three most common, with Hayden and Simpson also thereabouts.

You're a little inconsistent saying that you mark Trumper down for not making the all time Australian XIs that you see, and then saying that you don't care about Barrington not making the all time England XIs. But if you rate Barrington higher, fair enough mate - I respect that. There's no question he was a superb cricketer.

But it's Compton, not Crompton. And he wasn't the England captain, so his captaincy has nothing to do with his rating as a batsman.

I meant Ponsford not Woodfull, its 3 am in morning just a bit tired. I blame that for Compton think also, thinking of someone else.

Morris class above... the fact that people rate him from a lot of different generations. Trumper rating is mainly from a earlier generation. This might have something to do with the 48 Ashes. But you get people from his era to people from the current era rating him as one of the top two openers in Australian history.

 

[The Sean]

I meant Ponsford not Woodfull, its 3 am in morning just a bit tired. I blame that for Compton think also, thinking of someone else.

Morris class above... the fact that people rate him from a lot of different generations. Trumper rating is mainly from a earlier generation. This might have something to do with the 48 Ashes. But you get people from his era to people from the current era rating him as one of the top two openers in Australian history.

Fair enough mate - there probably IS a romanticism over Morris' role in the 48 Invincibles, and the fact that Bradman himself rates him so highly, but I suppose a lot of us have a romanticised view of Trumper too. For the record, Morris and Trumper would be my two openers in an all time Aussie XI, just ahead of Haydos.

 

[shortpitched713]

The folks who are voting Gilchrist still haven't explained to me how he is better than Hayden purely as a batsman.

 

[silentstriker]

The folks who are voting Gilchrist still haven't explained to me how he is better than Hayden purely as a batsman.

He is more destructive, often has to partner with the lower order, and frequently bails out the team. Its close, but Gilly takes the edge.

 

[adharcric]

UPDATE: Miandad 6, Trumper 3, Barrington 3, Gilchrist 2, Hayden 1

Miandad needs the next two to seal the round.

 

[chaminda_00]

I'll give him one, Miandad, might as start the next round sooner or later.

 

[adharcric]

Thank you chaminda_00. Time for Trumper to make the list IMO.

The List
1. Don Bradman (AUS)
2. Garry Sobers (WI)
3. Jack Hobbs (ENG)
4. Sachin Tendulkar (IND)
5. Viv Richards (WI)
6. Brian Lara (WI)
7. Sunil Gavaskar (IND)
8. Wally Hammond (ENG)
9. Greg Chappell (AUS)
10. George Headley (WI)
11. Graeme Pollock (RSA)
12. Everton Weekes (WI)
13. Len Hutton (ENG)
14. Steve Waugh (AUS)
15. Clyde Walcott (WI)
16. Ricky Ponting (AUS)
17. Herbert Sutcliffe (ENG)
18. Allan Border (AUS)
19. Rahul Dravid (IND)
20. Javed Miandad (PAK)

The vote for the #21 batsman of all-time begins now.

The Contenders

 

[Perm]

21. Adam Gilchrist

 

[chaminda_00]

Barrington again, hopefully people start to see past the stonewallers image and just look at his record, by far the best from anyone left.

 

[oz_fan]

Barrington

 

[shortpitched713]

He is more destructive, often has to partner with the lower order, and frequently bails out the team. Its close, but Gilly takes the edge.

Hayden has a better average by 4, and has had to face the new ball, whereas Gilly has not. Also Hayden in his prime could just as easily dismantle attacks as Gilly and has the second highest Test score ever to boot. For these reasons it has to be Hayden.

 

[Matt79]

<sigh> Trumper

 

[The Sean]

Trumper.

Followed closely by Trumper.

 

[Dravid]

Trumper

-Dravid

 

[silentstriker]

Gilchrist, though I will change my vote to whoever else to keep Trumper from winning.

 

[silentstriker]

Hayden has a better average by 4, and has had to face the new ball, whereas Gilly has not. Also Hayden in his prime could just as easily dismantle attacks as Gilly and has the second highest Test score ever to boot. For these reasons it has to be Hayden.

No, look at their career S/R. Not even Sir Viv scored as fast. Plus, since around 2000, there aren't exactly any great new ball bowlers that Hayden has had to face (look how much Sehwag averages), so Gilly easily comes out on top.

 

[Johnners]

Trumper

 

[aussie tragic]

Barrington

 

[The Sean]

Barrington

Seems to be becoming a more and more popular choice. A superb cricketer no question, and a fantastic record (you have to salute an average of 58.67 over a long career), but TBH even if we are just talking English batsmen I'd still have Grace, Compton and May to come before him.

None of them top his stats of course, but all seem to be more highly regarded by those who who saw them first hand (not that there are any of them left alive in Grace's case, obviously...)

 

[silentstriker]

Barrington batted way too slow for me, but I'll vote for him if thats the only way to keep Trumper out.