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Ranking the Batsmen
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Magrat Garlick
Rather Mad Witch
Trumper
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Miandad, GIlcrhist, Hayden, Barrington are all easily better than Trumper IMO.
The Sean
Cricketer Of The Year
Well you've got your wish with Miandad I reckon, he's in this round - and Gilly I can see as a modern-day Trumper, as cricketers I think they were certainly cut from the same cloth.silentstriker said:
But Barrington and Hayden greater than Vic? Behave!
And yes, I know their stats own Trumper's...
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
I would probably put Trumper in Justin Langer's class TBH.The Sean said:Well you've got your wish with Miandad I reckon, he's in this round - and Gilly I can see as a modern-day Trumper, as cricketers I think they were certainly cut from the same cloth.
But Barrington and Hayden greater than Vic? Behave!
And yes, I know their stats own Trumper's...
chaminda_00
Hall of Fame Member
Trumper > Barrington behaveThe Sean said:Well you've got your wish with Miandad I reckon, he's in this round - and Gilly I can see as a modern-day Trumper, as cricketers I think they were certainly cut from the same cloth.
But Barrington and Hayden greater than Vic? Behave!
And yes, I know their stats own Trumper's...
chaminda_00
Hall of Fame Member
Harsh on Langer theresilentstriker said:I would probably put Trumper in Justin Langer's class TBH.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Harsh, but probably fair.chaminda_00 said:
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Trumper = Fleming.The Sean said:Are you simply looking at Test averages, or researching a little more closely?
OK, I'm kidding there....or am I?
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
chaminda_00
Hall of Fame Member
Looking at closey, not many Australia greats have Trumper at the top of order in their All Time XI. Another minus on Trumper IMO.The Sean said:Are you simply looking at Test averages, or researching a little more closely?
The Sean
Cricketer Of The Year
Really? Maybe not too many modern greats like Border, Waugh etc, but plenty of the old-timers do. Benaud rates him one of the two best Aussie openers of all time. I've seen plenty of All-Time Australian XIs that have him in it (mainly old-timers who either saw him or personally knew guys who saw him, it must be said), but I suppose there have been so many of those picked that we're bound to have looked at different lists!chaminda_00 said:
Though I've not seen Barrington make too many all time England XIs - he often scrapes into a post-war XI in the middle order after Compton and May (and I would pick him there too), but I can't remember any all-time England XI that has ever had Barrington in it ahead of Hammond, Compton or May. Despite him having a better average than any of them,
aussie tragic
International Captain
Miandad...or I'm taking my ball and going home.....
chaminda_00
Hall of Fame Member
Most sides i seen by so-called Australia greats have Morris plus someone. Modern day greats trend to go with Langer, Hayden or Taylor (as captain). A lot of olden day greats seem to go with Simpson, Lawry or Woodfull. Benaud might be an expectation, but i trend to look try and look at the holistic view rather then one person. Really considering Morris hasn't even been mentioned, i find it hard to have Trumper in the top 25. Morris a class above Trumper and probably wouldn't even make top 30.The Sean said:Really? Maybe not too many modern greats like Border, Waugh etc, but plenty of the old-timers do. Benaud rates him one of the two best Aussie openers of all time. I've seen plenty of All-Time Australian XIs that have him in it (mainly old-timers who either saw him or personally knew guys who saw him, it must be said), but I suppose there have been so many of those picked that we're bound to have looked at different lists!
With Barrington, he doesn't get in many sides infront of May, Crompton and Hammond, but i don't care i rate him. The guy played 82 Tests and kept an average of 58, thats a fair effort. I think a lot of May and Crompton rating is due to their captaincy as well, not just batting.
The Sean
Cricketer Of The Year
What makes you think of Morris as a class above Trumper? And I don't recall ever seeing Lawry or Woodful rated ahead of Trumper in an all time Australian XI. Or Langer, for that matter. Trumper, Morris and Ponsford seem to be the three most common, with Hayden and Simpson also thereabouts.chaminda_00 said:
You're a little inconsistent saying that you mark Trumper down for not making the all time Australian XIs that you see, and then saying that you don't care about Barrington not making the all time England XIs. But if you rate Barrington higher, fair enough mate - I respect that. There's no question he was a superb cricketer.
But it's Compton, not Crompton. And he wasn't the England captain, so his captaincy has nothing to do with his rating as a batsman.