Players that are the most overated by CW posters.

[TheJediBrah]

Stephen was the one saying he couldn't physically do it at all.

Yes and stephen might be wrong.

Though I don't know if he really could bowl the flipper tbh. I certainly never saw him do one. And as Smali said, that certainly wasn't a flipper, it was a slider. Flipper is much quicker through the air. Just because the video says flipper doesn't mean that it was one.

 

[the big bambino]

don't start this again

Too late. Its begun.

 

[smash84]

now this is a flipper, stays low, skids on really quick

Edit: Of course it is early on in his career, but if you want to see what a flipper looks like, this is a good example

 

[jimmy101]

It's possible that Warne's flipper came out of the hand slower post-surgery.

 

[Burgey]

It's possible that Warne's flipper came out of the hand slower post-surgery.

Not so sure about that. Part of Warne's genius was he somehow managed to take about 200 of his last 300 test wickets with straight breaks.

 

[stephen]

Yes, he was unable to impart the same energy on the ball after his surgery. Go and watch some YouTube clips of him from early on his career and see just how devastating that flipper was. It was quick, skiddy and deceptive. The slider was a poor imitation he developed later in his career because he couldn't bowl it any more with any reliability (he tried a few times but never really landed them).

Watching older clips of him bowling through the 90s is illuminating. He was simply incredible. After his injury he was never the same. He never quite had the same energy he used to (he basically had to learn how to bowl again after the surgery).

 

[jimmy101]

Not so sure about that. Part of Warne's genius was he somehow managed to take about 200 of his last 300 test wickets with straight breaks.

The flipper & slider were both, in essence, straight breaks though.

 

[stephen]

In fact, all you need to do is watch both of those videos. The first one, which is the slider, was loopy and slow through the air. The second one, the flipper, was quick and slider and flatter. It used to deceive batsmen because it would look like a half tracker and they would go back to cut it and it would skid on through and pin them plumb or bowl them, or they would mishit it to a fielder and get caught.

 

[jimmy101]

Is there any quantifiable proof which states Warney removed the flipper from his arsenal post-98? Such as an excerpt from an article?

 

[ankitj]

You guys are dickheads, honestly. Overrated? Guy was one of Wisden's five cricketers of the century. You know, Bradman, Sobers, Hobbs, Richards, Warne...

That was up til 2000, and he arguably got better from 01-06.

Warne fan triggered.

 

[TheJediBrah]

It's possible that Warne's flipper came out of the hand slower post-surgery.

The flipper & slider were both, in essence, straight breaks though.

Just accept that you're on the wrong side of this one. Flipper and slider were quite different. Slider was essentially just a legbreak that didn't turn.

A flipper was quicker through the air, especially skiddy off the pitch, stayed lower and was generally shorter of a length too. That was one of the most dangerous things about the flipper, as a batsman you see it and think "great a half tracker that I can go back and cut/pull" but before you know it it's flown through and you're castled.

Very different releases from the fingers as well.

 

[jimmy101]

I'm fully prepared to concede that I'm wrong on this one if it happens to be true. No arguments here. It's just I've never heard anything about Warney dropping the flipper midway through his career until today.

 

[Daemon]

here's a great flipper

 

[TheJediBrah]

I'm fully prepared to concede that I'm wrong on this one if it happens to be true. No arguments here. It's just I've never heard anything about Warney dropping the flipper midway through his career until today.

Really? Watching the cricket in the early 00s the commentators went on and on about it. So did the media, and Warne himself times. I was getting sick of hearing about it.

It definitely wasn't kept a secret

 

[jimmy101]

Still wouldn't mind seeing some kind of proof though. Not sure why you earlier said that Stephen might be wrong then, either.

 

[trundler]

He said Stephen might be wrong about Warne not being able to physically do it at all.

 

[stephen]

http://www.cricket.com.au/news/shan...ichardson-australia-cricket/2016-02-29?mode=a

This article states that he only bowled it before his surgeries.

 

[jimmy101]

He could still physically bowl flippers post-98.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Not sure why you earlier said that Stephen might be wrong then, either.

Not sure why you're not sure tbh

 

[Burgey]

Warne fan triggered.