jimmy101
Cricketer Of The Year
It's hard to be sure about that.
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Players that are the most overated by CW posters.
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GoodAreasShane
Cricketer Of The Year
From all I've watched, Warne certainly still had a flipper post shoulder injury, but he struggled to land it as effectively as he could. The slider was basically just a straght ball, but he used it well, bowl a couple of ripping leggies that would beat the outside edge and then trap the batsman LBW with the one that didn't turn
jimmy101
Cricketer Of The Year
"The flipper was the signature delivery of Anil Kumble of India and the Australian leg-spinner Shane Warne in his earlier years, until injury and later shoulder surgery restricted his ability to bowl flippers accurately."
Source: https://everipedia.org/wiki/lang_en/Flipper_(cricket)/
So this article notes that Warne's ability to bowl the flipper was restricted, but doesn't explicitly say that he stopped bowling it altogether.
Source: https://everipedia.org/wiki/lang_en/Flipper_(cricket)/
So this article notes that Warne's ability to bowl the flipper was restricted, but doesn't explicitly say that he stopped bowling it altogether.
jimmy101
Cricketer Of The Year
"During Warne’s career he went through a phase where he lost or didn’t bowl the Flipper due to surgery on his shoulder. It appears that because of the surgery or maybe because the Flipper was a part of the problem that led to the injury, Warne was Flipper-less for quite some time. The inference is that during the rehabilitation process Warne was either advised not to bowl the Flipper or simply couldn’t bowl the Flipper, suggesting that the strain the technique puts on the body needs to be recognized."
Source: https://legspinbowling.blogspot.com/2010/12/flipper.html
This excerpt suggests he only withheld from bowling the flipper during his recovery period.
Source: https://legspinbowling.blogspot.com/2010/12/flipper.html
This excerpt suggests he only withheld from bowling the flipper during his recovery period.
TheJediBrah
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does it really matter either way? The effect is the same
jimmy101
Cricketer Of The Year
Here's something with a bit more bite to it. A quote from Colin Miller.
"He hasn't bowled the whole range of deliveries, that's the difference. He's become pretty much a leg spinner only. He doesn't seem to have a wrong 'un, I haven't seen a flipper. He's still bowling that front-of-the hand thing and his small turner and his slider."
Source: https://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket/cutting-through-the-spin-20041017-gdythx.html
"He hasn't bowled the whole range of deliveries, that's the difference. He's become pretty much a leg spinner only. He doesn't seem to have a wrong 'un, I haven't seen a flipper. He's still bowling that front-of-the hand thing and his small turner and his slider."
Source: https://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket/cutting-through-the-spin-20041017-gdythx.html
sunilz
International Regular
As if Siddhu, Azharuddin, Sehwag , Kambli or Laxman never existed. All of them would alone manhandle Warne out of attack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkDfPTEvgZ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMlf8zQlUOU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwkURg8MZ8A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsG-yDnJVak
sunilz
International Regular
AWTA
If Tendulkar is moderate upgrade over Waugh then Mcgrath is definitely moderate upgrade over Anderson.
All-round records | One-Day Internationals | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com
Even Sehwag has more MOM and MOS than Mark Waugh.
the big bambino
International Captain
sunilz
International Regular
This used to be our expression when Warne bowled against IND.
the big bambino
International Captain
Good for you.
ankitj
Hall of Fame Member
I always find this data fascinating. Below is the list sorted by matches/MoM award. There are quite a few players who have lower averages but create more impact going by the frequency of MoM awards they receive. Some players (lower order batsmen, all bowlers etc.) are at a disadvantage on this metric though.
| Player | Mat | Match Awards | Series Awards | Match/Awards |
| IVA Richards (WI) | 187 | 31 | 4 | 6.03 |
| CG Greenidge (WI) | 128 | 20 | 2 | 6.40 |
| V Kohli (INDIA) | 222 | 31 | 6 | 7.16 |
| SR Tendulkar (INDIA) | 463 | 62 | 14 | 7.47 |
| MD Crowe (NZ) | 143 | 19 | 1 | 7.53 |
| AB de Villiers (Afr/SA) | 228 | 27 | 6 | 8.44 |
| MJ Guptill (NZ) | 167 | 19 | 2 | 8.79 |
| Saeed Anwar (PAK) | 247 | 28 | 1 | 8.82 |
| NJ Astle (NZ) | 223 | 25 | 1 | 8.92 |
| L Klusener (SA) | 171 | 19 | 3 | 9.00 |
| ST Jayasuriya (Asia/SL) | 445 | 48 | 11 | 9.27 |
| A Symonds (AUS) | 198 | 21 | 4 | 9.43 |
| DL Haynes (WI) | 238 | 25 | 0 | 9.52 |
| HM Amla (SA) | 174 | 18 | 6 | 9.67 |
| BC Lara (ICC/WI) | 299 | 30 | 4 | 9.97 |
| SC Ganguly (Asia/INDIA) | 311 | 31 | 6 | 10.03 |
| JH Kallis (Afr/ICC/SA) | 328 | 32 | 5 | 10.25 |
| AC Gilchrist (AUS/ICC) | 287 | 28 | 3 | 10.25 |
| DM Jones (AUS) | 164 | 16 | 0 | 10.25 |
| PA de Silva (SL) | 308 | 30 | 3 | 10.27 |
| WJ Cronje (SA) | 188 | 18 | 1 | 10.44 |
| Shakib Al Hasan (BDESH) | 195 | 18 | 5 | 10.83 |
| V Sehwag (Asia/ICC/INDIA) | 251 | 23 | 1 | 10.91 |
| SR Watson (AUS) | 190 | 17 | 2 | 11.18 |
| A Ranatunga (SL) | 269 | 24 | 3 | 11.21 |
| Yuvraj Singh (Asia/INDIA) | 304 | 27 | 7 | 11.26 |
| HH Gibbs (SA) | 248 | 22 | 2 | 11.27 |
| Mohammad Hafeez (PAK) | 208 | 18 | 4 | 11.56 |
| ME Waugh (AUS) | 244 | 21 | 0 | 11.62 |
| RT Ponting (AUS/ICC) | 375 | 32 | 7 | 11.72 |
| CH Gayle (ICC/WI) | 284 | 23 | 7 | 12.35 |
| Shahid Afridi (Asia/ICC/PAK) | 398 | 32 | 2 | 12.44 |
| Javed Miandad (PAK) | 233 | 18 | 2 | 12.94 |
| KC Sangakkara (Asia/ICC/SL) | 404 | 31 | 4 | 13.03 |
| TM Dilshan (SL) | 330 | 25 | 6 | 13.20 |
| MS Atapattu (SL) | 268 | 20 | 4 | 13.40 |
| SM Pollock (Afr/ICC/SA) | 303 | 22 | 8 | 13.77 |
| Shoaib Malik (PAK) | 279 | 19 | 5 | 14.68 |
| Abdul Razzaq (Asia/PAK) | 265 | 18 | 3 | 14.72 |
| Waqar Younis (PAK) | 262 | 17 | 4 | 15.41 |
| SR Waugh (AUS) | 325 | 21 | 2 | 15.48 |
| Inzamam-ul-Haq (Asia/PAK) | 378 | 24 | 6 | 15.75 |
| Mohammad Yousuf (Asia/PAK) | 288 | 18 | 3 | 16.00 |
| AR Border (AUS) | 273 | 17 | 1 | 16.06 |
| MS Dhoni (Asia/INDIA) | 338 | 21 | 6 | 16.10 |
| Wasim Akram (PAK) | 356 | 22 | 3 | 16.18 |
| SP Fleming (ICC/NZ) | 280 | 17 | 2 | 16.47 |
| S Chanderpaul (WI) | 268 | 16 | 3 | 16.75 |
| M Azharuddin (INDIA) | 334 | 18 | 3 | 18.56 |
| DPMD Jayawardene (Asia/SL) | 448 | 22 | 4 | 20.36 |
sunilz
International Regular
Here is another interesting stats . Kohli has more MOS and same MOM than Ponting in 35 % less games in international cricket
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...11;template=results;type=allround;view=awards
sunilz
International Regular
Also agree with this . Both equally overrated. Tendulkar particularly in test . He never had a 500 runs series in his career .
TheJediBrah
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why are you so insecureHere is another interesting stats . Kohli has more MOS and same MOM than Ponting in 35 % less games in international cricket
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...11;template=results;type=allround;view=awards
Most players are overated by their countrymen. Even if you can get past the patriotism, people rate players they have watched more of higher.
Too lofty a goal. I figure I'll just start supporting more countries than ***** and we should be good.