Players that are the most overated by CW posters.

[Burgey]

Yeah, check out how many byes Paine gave away in the India series and compare it with how many were actually his fault (hardly any). Starc sprayed it around so much it was ridiculous.

 

[J_C]

Warne by a country mile on CW. Apparently teams got the better of Warne only when he was too green/injured/bowling with a bar of soap .

 

[sunilz]

Warne by a country mile on CW. Apparently teams got the better of Warne only when he was too green/injured/bowling with a bar of soap .

AWTA . Remove Mcgrath from Australian attack and replace him with another Warne , I don't see them beating IND of 2002-10 , Pak of 90s(including Ijaz Ahmed and Salim Malik) , WI of 90s anywhere 8 out of the 10 times. Apart from Dravid did any ATG batsmen struggle against Warne ?

 

[Borges]

You are severely underrating Warne.
True that he was thoroughly inept against batsmen who knew how to play spin; but then he was an ATG against those who didn't have a clue about facing spin.
A legendary minnow-basher, who deserves a lot of respect.

 

[MrPrez]

AWTA . Remove Mcgrath from Australian attack and replace him with another Warne , I don't see them beating IND of 2002-10 , Pak of 90s(including Ijaz Ahmed and Salim Malik) , WI of 90s anywhere 8 out of the 10 times. Apart from Dravid did any ATG batsmen struggle against Warne ?

Well replacing McGrath for a Warne wouldn't happen anyway, considering Pidgey was a pacer and Warne a spinner... so not particularly fair.

Two Warnes bowling in tandem would be thoroughly brilliant, though, and there is no doubt in my mind that the team with two Warnes would still have been the dominant team of the generation - except for the fact that they probably wouldn't have played the second Warne a lot of the time because they would take a pacer instead. Which is essentially the story of MacGill.

To be honest, I reckon you could replace McGrath with a Gillespie/Fleming and still have Aus as the dominant team of that era. As good as McGrath was, there were more than enough superstars that would have picked up the slack. And I say that as someone who believes that McGrath was the best Aussie player of that generation. Australia were just that good.

 

[trundler]

You are severely underrating Warne.
True that he was thoroughly inept against batsmen who knew how to play spin; but then he was an ATG against those who didn't have a clue about facing spin.
A legendary minnow-basher, who deserves a lot of respect.

Isn't that every spinner's curse though? Spinners by default are more limited and condition reliant hence they'll be made to look pedestrian by a great player of spin. Every spinner gets his ass handed to him royally from time to time. Warne against India was truly abysmal, still.

Anyway this is pretty much as bad as the Murali in Australia argument.

 

[sunilz]

To be honest, I reckon you could replace McGrath with a Gillespie/Fleming and still have Aus as the dominant team of that era. As good as McGrath was, there were more than enough superstars that would have picked up the slack. And I say that as someone who believes that McGrath was the best Aussie player of that generation. Australia were just that good.

If you replace Mcgrath with any other Aussie fast bowler, Ashes 2005 would have occured many times . AUS would be no.1 test side but they wouldn't be as dominant as WI of 80s.

 

[vcs]

I don't even care about the "Warne got stick against great players of spin" criticism. Guy was the most exciting cricketer I've watched. Just watching him going through a spell against a couple of set batsmen was pure theater.

When I watched him bowl to India, I never thought "here's some easy runs", it's just that some of our key batsmen managed to play him exceptionally well.

 

[Bolo]

AWTA . Remove Mcgrath from Australian attack and replace him with another Warne , I don't see them beating IND of 2002-10 , Pak of 90s(including Ijaz Ahmed and Salim Malik) , WI of 90s anywhere 8 out of the 10 times. Apart from Dravid did any ATG batsmen struggle against Warne ?

Warne barely played against atgs other than India. Kallis, Lara, and sanga, plus some guys at the wrong ends of their careers (which partially includes kallis and sanga).

How did warne do against the top Aus bats in domestic?

 

[sunilz]

I don't even care about the "Warne got stick against great players of spin" criticism. Guy was the most exciting cricketer I've watched. Just watching him going through a spell against a couple of set batsmen was pure theater.

When I watched him bowl to India, I never thought "here's some easy runs", it's just that some of our key batsmen managed to play him exceptionally well.

He was hammered by Robin Singh/ Jadeja when Mcgrath/ Gillespie absolutely decimated our top order in ODI . He was always poor vs IND.
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[MrPrez]

If you replace Mcgrath with any other Aussie fast bowler, Ashes 2005 would have occured many times . AUS would be no.1 test side but they wouldn't be as dominant as WI of 80s.

It's hardly shocking that a team would be worse if they lost arguably a top 3 bowler of all time. You could say the same of the WI if they were to lose Joel Garner, for example.

I'm not understanding your point.

 

[sunilz]

Warne barely played against atgs other than India. Kallis, Lara, and sanga, plus some guys at the wrong ends of their careers (which partially includes kallis and sanga).

How did warne do against the top Aus bats in domestic?

Lara massacred him in 1999 tour . He was dropped from AUS side due to it. Kallis had excellent record vs Warne iirc.

 

[sunilz]

It's hardly shocking that a team would be worse if they lost arguably a top 3 bowler of all time. You could say the same of the WI if they were to lose Joel Garner, for example.

I'm not understanding your point.

He is always picked as no.1 spinner by most of the experts in ATG side . But his record against all ATG batsmen of his generation except Dravid is very ordinary .

 

[Bolo]

He is always picked as no.1 spinner by most of the experts in ATG side . But his record against all ATG batsmen of his generation except Dravid is very ordinary .

India crushed all spinners. It's hard to hold that one against Warne too much. And the sample size is too limited for other great bats in tests seeing as he played for aus. I think he did ok vs sanga and kallis. Other than india, the difference between him being very good vs great bats and poor is basically lara running amock in a single series.

 

[_00_deathscar]

I've always found Warne overrated too to be honest, whereas obviously the English seem to rate him as the best thing since sliced bread.

 

[Red]

You guys are dickheads, honestly. Overrated? Guy was one of Wisden's five cricketers of the century. You know, Bradman, Sobers, Hobbs, Richards, Warne...

That was up til 2000, and he arguably got better from 01-06.

 

[Burgey]

It's hardly shocking that a team would be worse if they lost arguably a top 3 bowler of all time. You could say the same of the WI if they were to lose Joel Garner, for example.

I'm not understanding your point.

I think the point is "Take away your best players, and your team won't perform as well."

Stunning analysis.

 

[Bolo]

You guys are dickheads, honestly. Overrated? Guy was one of Wisden's five cricketers of the century. You know, Bradman, Sobers, Hobbs, Richards, Warne...

That was up til 2000, and he arguably got better from 01-06.

That wisden 5 is proof of him being overrated, not argument against it. Those other players averaged something like 18 year test careers against Warnes 7.x years. He might keep company with them now, but not after half a career (especially what you consider the bad half). Nor would he have compared to someone like imran (who tbh is more deserving of a spot than some of the others anyway).

Anyway, I think he's pretty fairly rated on the whole these days, now that the hype has died down and with cricket media being a bit less controlled by England and aus. Overrated by some, underrated by others (I'm looking at you, odi thread). If a vote was done now for last 120 years, he would be a bunch of places lower, but still near the top.

 

[the big bambino]

If you replace Mcgrath with any other Aussie fast bowler, Ashes 2005 would have occured many times . AUS would be no.1 test side but they wouldn't be as dominant as WI of 80s.

I agree. if you take out SRT and Dravid then India suck, Warne smashes them and he's great again.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Lara massacred him in 1999 tour . He was dropped from AUS side due to it.

hmm pretty sure he was playing with a busted shoulder, like it has just been reconstructed or something and that's why he struggled in 1999. But I guess that doesn't fit your narrative?