***Official** West Indies in Pakistan

[Jono]

Yeah Sachin's recent form is promising, but he's never really dropped off significantly in ODI cricket, even with his injuries. Test cricket is a different story.

Hopefully he does well against SA

 

[shortpitched713]

Yeah I wouldn't mind seeing a newer seamer in place of Razzaq tbh. He's not exactly a "must have" in tests.

Maybe a Yasir Arafat. He wasn't too impressive in the Champs Trophy, but in my opinion, he'd be worth a go. Although I have a feeling that the Pakistan selectors would much rather stick with the devil they know than try something new, especially at this point when the bowling attack has been so unstable.

 

[Xuhaib]

Gul a poor man's Asif?

 

[nightprowler10]

Gul a poor man's Asif?

If he keeps improving the way he has been, we'll have a lethal bowling attack when Asif comes back.

 

[Dravid]

His bowling performance was pretty good in the match. I remember seeing him in the first couple of overs, where he struggled but he improved through out the match. Can prove to be a dangerous bowler over the years

 

[a10khan]

Hopefully thats a joke. I'm not taking anything away from the WI batting line up, but it's not better than India. Sachin>Lara, Dravid>Chanderpaul, Sarwan>Yuvraj, Sehwag>(in tests) Gayle.

No WI is not better then India but overall a good batting lineup. Sachin>Lara is not so clear-cut either!

 

[marc71178]

India...

Sachin(World Class) Dravid(World Class) Yuvraj(Very Good) Sehwag(Very Good)

Not currently in Tests I'm afraid...

 

[marc71178]

And bringing up their averages, that means Ponting and Dravid are better than Sachin and Lara.

To be honest, in the case of Dravid, it could turn out to be true - is there anyone else around who is so consistent across all opposition and countries?

 

[marc71178]

If you want to look in deeper than stats, than look at him against England, and look at him recently in ODI Cricket.

ODIs have no relevance to Tests, and I don't see how 83 runs @ 20.75 helps your cause?

 

[Turbinator]

Its not as if India dominated the series? it was a narrow win for the Indians just 1 Test and 1 one ODI, everyone expected India to do much better than they did

Yes we did dominate the whole test series WITHOUT one of our best batsman... The first game WI were saved by one wicket, the second game WI were saved by rain or else we were on the verge of blowing them away! The third game was tilted in favour of WI for the first 3 days, but the fourth test, we finally proved how superior our batting was compared to WI.

Think before you make posts, in that post you're just TRYING to prove that India were not dominant in that series. But that wasn't my point, my point was how India's batting is better than that of WI's.

 

[Benny2k1]

On paper The West Indies batting line up is world Class.

Test Matches Are not won on paper unfortunatly.

 

[Benny2k1]

Sachin avgs 55 in tests. Lara 52.

Sachins conversion rate of 50 to 100 > than Laras


Figure out which was the more dominant batting side in the test series.(India weren't playing their best batsman, while West Indies was.)

Lara has a 100,200,300,400,500
Most runs in an over
Leading Run scorer in test history
Voted By wisden as playing more matchwinning inns.
Only record Sachin Has is Most Centries
Sachins average is better but he has a high proportion of not outs, and even with that the difference is only 3 runs in the average

Why does every thread have to have this argument???
They are both fantastic players who i rate as equals with personal preference going to Lara.

 

[Beleg]

Lara, Tendulkar, Dravid and Chanderpaul are world class. Quibbling over who is better among Lara and Tendulkar is pretty useless, unless you are in it for mere pedantry.

Both Gayle and Sarwan are better then Yuvraj IMO. Sehwag is better then those two but not in the L-T-D-C league. Overall, I suppose, India's and WI batting line-ups are pretty evenly matched, however, neither team has a clear edge. Ergo, my point still stands.

 

[marc71178]

The point is, I'm not sure Tendulkar is a world class Test batsman any more, and the original question was about current batting line ups...

 

[Turbinator]

The point is, I'm not sure Tendulkar is a world class Test batsman any more, and the original question was about current batting line ups...

Form is temporary, class is permenant.

 

[Gajanayake]

Its not as if India dominated the series? it was a narrow win for the Indians just 1 Test and 1 one ODI, everyone expected India to do much better than they did

In the ODi's yes.

But I think the 1-0 scoreline in the tests flattered the WEst Indies a bit.
They would almost certainly lost the 2nd test had it not been for rain and only managed to stave off defeat in the first by the skin of their teeth.

And remember, they were going into the tests after scoring a thumpoing 4-1 win in the ODis so the momentum was with them --- India also had a very inexperienced seam attack, 3 out of 4 bowlers were making their first overseas tour, two were playing their 2nd series and one was playing his debut series.
Not too many people here were tipping an Indian test sries win ...not after the ODI result, in any case.

 

[Magrat Garlick]

West Indies' record over the last 35 away Test matches (excluding Zimbabwe and Bangladesh):

Won 1
Drawn 4
Lost 30

You can't explain all that with "poor bowling".

 

[Gajanayake]

Lara, Tendulkar, Dravid and Chanderpaul are world class. Quibbling over who is better among Lara and Tendulkar is pretty useless, unless you are in it for mere pedantry.

Both Gayle and Sarwan are better then Yuvraj IMO. Sehwag is better then those two but not in the L-T-D-C league. Overall, I suppose, India's and WI batting line-ups are pretty evenly matched, however, neither team has a clear edge. Ergo, my point still stands.

I'm not sure if Chanderpaul is in a different league to Sehwag as your are purporting.

Sehwag has test hundreds (and decent records to boot) in Australia, England, South Africa, Pakistan and the West Indies largely as a test openerr

 

[marc71178]

Form is temporary, class is permenant.

How long does form have to continue for it to still be termed temporary then?

The weight of playing so much cricket for so long has hit him unfortunately and there is no way you can call him a World Class Test player any more.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

West Indies' record over the last 35 away Test matches (excluding Zimbabwe and Bangladesh):

Won 1
Drawn 4
Lost 30

You can't explain all that with "poor bowling".

Last relevant Test we won overseas was back in England in 2000. We were actually playing really good cricket then. Cork changed all that.