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***Official*** West Indies in New Zealand

Dick Rockett

Dick Rockett

International Vice-Captain
Goughy said:
If someone weighs 150kg and drops to 145kg its nice but it don't make them skinny. Just saying

Talk about celebrating mediocraty.
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I think criticism of Vettori is misguided on the grounds that most people don't have an understanding of how he's been used.

For too long he's been used as a stock bowler - trying to stem the flow of runs that the other bowlers have been giving away. He's far more effective when being allowed to use his full armoury, and I think this series is showing that - 7 wickets at 21-ish.
 
sirjeremy11

sirjeremy11

State Vice-Captain
mundaneyogi said:
I think criticism of Vettori is misguided on the grounds that most people don't have an understanding of how he's been used.
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I think criticism of Vettori is misguided as no one can ever name a better option, yet a lot of people are willing to get stuck into him. Like a piece of meat I tell you. Meat!

Seriously, the best alternative I heard was "Pick another seamer". OK. But what happens on the subcontinent? And what happens when we play Australia? Leave Vettori out because even though the Aussies rate him, his average is still not good enough. Hell, I have an idea! Let's get rid of all test batsmen who average less than 39.5, and all test bowlers who average more than 29.5 - because they will all be horribly over rated. Oh, that's right. You can't.
 
Dick Rockett

Dick Rockett

International Vice-Captain
sirjeremy11 said:
I think criticism of Vettori is misguided as no one can ever name a better option, yet a lot of people are willing to get stuck into him. Like a piece of meat I tell you. Meat!

Seriously, the best alternative I heard was "Pick another seamer". OK. But what happens on the subcontinent? And what happens when we play Australia? Leave Vettori out because even though the Aussies rate him, his average is still not good enough. Hell, I have an idea! Let's get rid of all test batsmen who average less than 39.5, and all test bowlers who average more than 29.5 - because they will all be horribly over rated. Oh, that's right. You can't.
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I think the vast majority of those who criticise him are from other countries - usually England, where kiwi cricketers are generally patronised, or viewed with disdain. It's always struck me that although they have more than enough reason than most to bag us, the Aussies usually have the most respect for our guys.
 
sirjeremy11

sirjeremy11

State Vice-Captain
sirjeremy11 said:
Kyle Mills average is down to 44! Woohoo :dry:
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Now it's down to 39.44. What a legend. 9 wickets in 5 tests (admittedly, in one in England he bowled about 11 balls)

That, my friends, is celebrating mediocrity.

Vettori has taken 215 wickets at 34.4 in 67 matches, playing his home matches in a country which is supposed to favour swing/seam bowling. I am not a huge huge huge Vettori fan, but I don't know why people have to continually bag him.
 
sirjeremy11

sirjeremy11

State Vice-Captain
mundaneyogi said:
I think the vast majority of those who criticise him are from other countries - usually England, where kiwi cricketers are generally patronised, or viewed with disdain. It's always struck me that although they have more than enough reason than most to bag us, the Aussies usually have the most respect for our guys.
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Oh no. Don't be fooled. New Zealander's also bag the Dan.
 
NZTailender

NZTailender

I can't believe I ate the whole thing
NZTailender said:
I will stand by this right here: Mills >>> Martin in this series.
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Cricinfo said:
Code: 
New Zealand Bowling

Name                Mat    O      M     R   W  Best     Ave  Econ    SR  5 10
KD Mills              1   29.3    9    82   6  3-29   13.66  2.77  29.5  0  0
CS Martin             2   74     15   250   7  3-80   35.71  3.37  63.4  0  0
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Looking good so far! :happy:
 
NZTailender

NZTailender

I can't believe I ate the whole thing
sirjeremy11 said:
PS NZT, saw Vincent get some of his 41 at Eden Park yesterday. He is not a happy man. But man he was striking it very nice.
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I think he would be. Don't think they'd drop Fulton or Styris for him, obviously, but dropping Marshall for Vincent to open (:() may be on the agenda for the final test...

TBH, it'd be better having Vincent opening than Marshall, even though he's a middle order batsman.


Edit: Need to get my brain into gear. I typed 'doubt' instead of 'think'. The hell?
 
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