***Official*** West Indies in New Zealand 2013/14

[Prince EWS]

Why is there so little information on it?

To make it as difficult as possible.

 

[marc71178]

I'm not sure adding Anderson and Watling to that list is really accurate? i mean they were only against Bangledash right? the same side Powell got two tons in a single game against!!..

And the same side that Narine was schooled by.

 

[Flem274*]

Neesham's 5fer against Wellington was a proper bag. Included 3 top order wickets all involving attempted defensive shots to good deliveries. But he has a lot more to do before he seriously enters the conversation. Same goes for Bennett tbh.

Gun.

Nah, when it comes to guys suited to the 3rd seamer role Bennett is in the convo. Henry and the like are more new ball bowlers imo. If Wagner continues to fall to pieces there is only so long he can be persisted with before playing with ten men bites us in the bum. Someone would have to come in and I'm not keen on it being another fast medium swing bowler.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

To make it as difficult as possible.

Ticketek are a bunch of syphilitic ****s.

 

[Prince EWS]

Gun.

Nah, when it comes to guys suited to the 3rd seamer role Bennett is in the convo. Henry and the like are more new ball bowlers imo. If Wagner continues to fall to pieces there is only so long he can be persisted with before playing with ten men bites us in the bum. Someone would have to come in and I'm not keen on it being another fast medium swing bowler.

Glenn Turner should donate the vertebrae of his first born son to Ian Butler IMO. It's the right thing to do for cricket in New Zealand.

 

[ohnoitsyou]

Currently im thinking that maybe our third seamer should be a new ball ballerrSouthee and Boult are improving dramatically at reversing the ball to the extent that they are our old ball bowlers. Boult has pace, he was over 140kmh pretty much every ball of his last spell and Southee should get up there when he finds his rhythm. Milne and Bennett wouldn't be terribly much quicker, (Wheeler was looking quicker than Milne went I went down a couple of weeks ago). So Henry or Wheeler could be brought in as the third quick , rotating in around 6-10 overs. Anderson can take 10-12 overs so there wouldn't be any problem with a lack of a long spell bowler

 

[Mike5181]

Henry or Wheeler would be my pick for the Indian series if Wagner struggles in this third test. Neesham's a useful bowler, but I'd be looking at him to become a future test allrounder. He's got more potential with the bat than his record suggests.

 

[hendrix]

Just going to re-mention my genius post-McCullum option of having both Neesham and Anderson share the 3rd seamer's role...

But as of now, I'd go for Bennett. Milne would be my bolter.

 

[Prince EWS]

Just going to re-mention my genius post-McCullum option of having both Neesham and Anderson share the 3rd seamer's role...

But as of now, I'd go for Bennett. Milne would be my bolter.

I think that not actually picking your best third seamer would be a mistake in a world where Sodhi in your frontline spinner. Obviously if there's not much in it then sure, go with the better bat, but I think there are bowlers clearly better than Neesham at the moment. Anderson should be subsidising for Sodhi's bowling rather than your first change.

 

[Zinzan]

Who would be closest to the team and in what order?

Any of the below and in no particular order;

Bennett
Gillespie
Bates
Henry
Milne
McClenaghan (if fit)


I don't even have a particularly great argument for any of them (especially with Gillespie's form in the PS this year) which speaks volumes about how mediocre I think Wagner is. The guy's just too erratic for the pace he bowls. I'd perhaps forgive him if he got it through in the 140s. So often this series he undid the good work done by the other bowlers.The fact he got some cheapish wickets in both 2nd innings of both tests flattered to deceive his true form. Come to think of it even Arnel or Butler would give more control as 1st-change bowlers backing Boult and Southee.

 

[Prince EWS]

Any of the below and in no particular order;

Bennett
Gillespie
Bates
Henry
Milne
McClenaghan (if fit)


I don't even have a particularly great argument for any of them (especially with Gillespie's form in the PS this year) which speaks volumes about how mediocre I think Wagner is. The guy's just too erratic for the pace he bowls. I'd perhaps forgive him if he got it through in the 140s. So often this series he's un-did the good work done by the other bowlers.The fact he got some cheapish wickets in both 2nd innings of both tests flattered to deceive his true form. Come to think of it even Arnel or Butler would give more control as 1st-change bowlers backing Boult and Southee.

Butler would absolutely be the best option if he was fit IMO but he's broken again.

 

[Mike5181]

Butler's definitely overrated on here.

 

[Flem274*]

Butler isn't a control bowler at all. He's bowling the same stuff he did in the video below but consistently at 130-135. He's a moderately paced white line fever seam and bounce attack bowler. He has the aggression and prevents the attack from being samey but if you want someone to keep it tight you need to look elsewhere. With his moderate accuracy and pace he will have his fair share of bad days where he looks village like Wagner does, but also like Wagner he is relentless in his attitude and approach but can offer more of a genuine into the wicket option than Wagner or the swing bowlers around the circuit.

 

[Zinzan]

Butler would absolutely be the best option if he was fit IMO but he's broken again.

Clearly I'm not as convinced of Butler as the selectors because I've have him behind a few of those other names.

 

[Prince EWS]

I wouldn't pick Butler for being a control bowler as such; he's not going to keep the runs down (although he probably will more than Wagner). What is he going to do though is bowl a different length to the other bowlers, challenge different aspects of the batsmen's technique and prosper in different conditions. He's not a swing bowler; he's a line and seam bowler.

It's all a bit irrelevant with him being broken though.

 

[hendrix]

I think that not actually picking your best third seamer would be a mistake in a world where Sodhi in your frontline spinner. Obviously if there's not much in it then sure, go with the better bat, but I think there are bowlers clearly better than Neesham at the moment. Anderson should be subsidising for Sodhi's bowling rather than your first change.

yeah I agree, but I think Neesham's already a better bowler than Anderson, and if you play both of them then it's a nice little lineup

Ryder (6)
Anderson (4)
Watling
Neesham (3)
Sodhi (5)
Southee (2)
Boult (1)


But yeah, for now Bennett would be my first pick.

 

[Zinzan]

Forgot about Neesham. Add him to the list.

 

[Flem274*]

yeah I agree, but I think Neesham's already a better bowler than Anderson, and if you play both of them then it's a nice little lineup

Ryder (6)
Anderson (4)
Watling
Neesham (3)
Sodhi (5)
Southee (2)
Boult (1)


But yeah, for now Bennett would be my first pick.

That's terrible balance. I'm a fan of Neesham's bowling and imo if he wanted to really charge in and do something more with his pace and bounce it would be pretty exciting as a fan, but you have two opening bowlers, two 4th seamers (one better than the other obv) and a legspinner who can't be trusted.

 

[Prince EWS]

you have two opening bowlers, two 4th seamers (one better than the other obv) and a legspinner who can't be trusted.

Sounds exactly like the current team tbf.

 

[Mike5181]

Butler isn't a control bowler at all. He's bowling the same stuff he did in the video below but consistently at 130-135. He's a moderately paced white line fever seam and bounce attack bowler. He has the aggression and prevents the attack from being samey but if you want someone to keep it tight you need to look elsewhere. With his moderate accuracy and pace he will have his fair share of bad days where he looks village like Wagner does, but also like Wagner he is relentless in his attitude and approach but can offer more of a genuine into the wicket option than Wagner or the swing bowlers around the circuit.

Wasn't Ian Butler described as 'pea-hearted' a few years ago? Wagner's not exactly a smart bowler, but the **** runs in hard all day.