***Official*** West Indies in New Zealand 2013/14

[Flem274*]

To add to the stats to show who has done what that isn't quite so favourable to Wagner.

Neesham: 2 matches, 11 @ 21 (Career: 21 matches, 50 @ 31)
Bennett: 4 matches, 19 @ 24 (38 matches, 110 @ 35)
Henry: 3 matches, 12 @ 28 (13 matches, 50 @ 22)

A cheap bag next round and Henry says hi tbf, though I have reservations about three fast medium swing bowlers. Already my locked in Southee injury cover. Bennett's career record suffers from getting smoked as a teen too. Prior to injury he was turning his domestic averages around iirc.

 

[Bahnz]

As it stands there aren't any particularly good ones, but if there were I and probably you would be keen to axe the guy.

Yeah, very much so. If Milne had 12 wickets @ 16 like he had this time last season I'd probably be walking in lock step with Flem in calling for his immediate selection. Hell, if Bracewell had had a solid start to the season I'd probably be prepared to give him another chance, given how few home tests he's played. And I think we all know how much I'd love to see a Wellingtonian actually making a contribution to the test side so I wouldn't need much convincing for Gillespie's inclusion either. But none of those guys have been even FC standard this season, let alone test standard. And the rest, as you say are too far away at this point to be seriously considered for test cricket - especially given that the one who may be hovering on the periphery of the selectors' gaze (Henry) is more of a new ball bowler than a 3rd seamer.

 

[Flem274*]

Wasn't Howsie talking him up before he was selected?

I just want to say this is a great piece of trolling. I may yet have to report you.

 

[Prince EWS]

Wasn't Howsie talking him up before he was selected?

Either way, a South African Otago player is never going to get too much love, I suppose. The CricketWeb CD mafia and CricketWeb ND mafia will get stuck right into them, and they won't have even have the CricketWeb Wellington Defence League to stick up for them. A tough gig.

 

[Bahnz]

That may all be true, but it doesn't change the fact that Martin himself was nothing more than mediocre in his last 3-4 years and I certainly don't have confident memories of him with the new ball in his hand as the leader of our bowling pack. I do think we had better options in the country in his last few years. Off the top of my head, It's a travesty Adams only played 1 test in that era and I'd need to think back to the years 2009-2012.

Well, it's certainly a travesty that Adams didn't get more chances, but I wouldn't be too hasty in assuming that he would've made it in test cricket just because he's spent years carving up for Notts. Afterall, Jeets is in the form of his life for Warks and it didn't exactly translate into buckets of wickets in test cricket. Besides Adams though, I can't think of too many other missed opportunities for call ups. That was the time period when the Academy generation should've been coming into their prime...except of course they didn't because they were all stretched out on operating tables around the country.

 

[Flem274*]

Out of interest, how were Patto, Siddlle, Starc and Cummins stats prior to selection? I think it was Cummins who was selected based on how he was bowling rather than his returns?

I'm not saying we should do it, but I haven't watched much of the just completed round yet so I'm not going to write someone off completely for the bolter. Milne did take 1/**** all in his most recent innings before joining Wheeler and Dougie in being unable to get T Mac and the Plunket Tail Wag out.

 

[Prince EWS]

I just want to say this is a great piece of trolling. I may yet have to report you.

...

New Zealand's team in 4-5 years.


1.Martin Guptill
2.BJ Watling
3.Kane Williamson
4.Ross Taylor
5.Jesse Ryder
6.Corey Anderson
7.Brendon McCullum
8.Daniel Vettori
9.Tim Southee
10.Neil Wagner
11.Trent Boult

Wasn't a bad call for the side in 2009 really.

I know he turned on Wagner after he debuted but he was keen on him at one point IIRC.

 

[Flem274*]

Well, it's certainly a travesty that Adams didn't get more chances, but I wouldn't be too hasty in assuming that he would've made it in test cricket just because he's spent years carving up for Notts. Afterall, Jeets is in the form of his life for Warks and it didn't exactly translate into buckets of wickets in test cricket. Besides Adams though, I can't think of too many other missed opportunities for call ups. That was the time period when the Academy generation should've been coming into their prime...except of course they didn't because they were all stretched out on operating tables around country.

In retrospect I'm surprised Gillespie didn't get more chances. CW wrote him off and Vettori infamously gave him the rope to hang himself after his mate Marto got dropped for the Dunedin test against the West Indies, but this is the team that selected post injury Franklin as a genuine allrounder...looking back I'm surprised Gillespie, Arnel and even Boult didn't get more tests.

 

[Prince EWS]

Out of interest, how were Patto, Siddlle, Starc and Cummins stats prior to selection? I think it was Cummins who was selected based on how he was bowling rather than his returns?

Siddle had an awesome debut season; was averaging 20 odd with the ball and rushed in after a really good effort in the Shield final. Cummins had barely played at all but was picked off the back of limited overs success, and Starc/Pattinson were good but not great in Shield cricket before debuting.

I think it'd be different with Milne though because he's actually playing and not performing. It's not that he hasn't played much, or has shown visible improvement that hasn't yet translated to the scorecards because it's been recent or anything like that; he's been the same bowler for a little while now and he's leaked runs and not taken many.

 

[Flem274*]

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Wasn't a bad call for the side in 2009 really.

I know he turned on Wagner after he debuted but he was keen on him at one point IIRC.

He's always hated him. That was probably more a predicted rather than wanted team.

If it was his wanted team his boy Hiini would be in there.

 

[Athlai]

What does CPL say about NZ pacers Cribb?

 

[Prince EWS]

What does CPL say about NZ pacers Cribb?

It says "update the database you lazy **** Cribb or I'll just be telling you what I thought in early 2012".

 

[Flem274*]

I think it'd be different with Milne though because he's actually playing and not performing. It's not that he hasn't played much, or has shown visible improvement that hasn't yet translated to the scorecards because it's been recent or anything like that; he's been the same bowler for a little while now and he's leaked runs and not taken many.

So frustrating as well. After watching him play in India and Sri Lanka on unfavourable pitches I thought he would be in the side this summer, probably this coming Thursday. It was quality bowling.

 

[Bahnz]

Wasn't surprised that Arnel didn't get any more tests after looking as timid as a 6 week old kitten against Pakistan at the Basin test in 2011. Boult was still doing his time on the comeback trail after that nasty back injury he got in 2009. I think he only had one full season before his callup v Aus and even then he was still only 22, so it's not like he had to work that hard to get into the side. Gillespie is a bit more tricky, but didn't he have horrible back injuries after the 2008/09 WI series? Seem to recall him playing very little FC cricket after that for the next couple of years.

 

[Flem274*]

What does CPL say about NZ pacers Cribb?

Probably still has Andy Ellis as the star allrounder.

Shanan Stewart to be number two in the allrounder rankings.

 

[Bahnz]

Yeah I seem to remember Cummins scaring the **** out of a lot of Aussie domestic batsmen in the Big Bash (or whatever it's predecessor was called) back in early 2011.

 

[Prince EWS]

Probably still has Andy Ellis as the star allrounder.

Haha it never did really. Thought he was the 10th best NZ bowler or something like that at one point though.

 

[Prince EWS]

Yeah I seem to remember Cummins scaring the **** out of a lot of Aussie domestic batsmen in the Big Bash (or whatever it's predecessor was called) back in early 2011.

Yeah this is basically what happened. To this day he's still only played six First Class games and one of them was a Test match.

 

[Flem274*]

Wasn't surprised that Arnel didn't get any more tests after looking as timid as a 6 week old kitten against Pakistan at the Basin test in 2011. Boult was still doing his time on the comeback trail after that nasty back injury he got in 2009. I think he only had one full season before his callup v Aus and even then he was still only 22, so it's not like he had to work that hard to get into the side. Gillespie is a bit more tricky, but didn't he have horrible back injuries after the 2008/09 WI series? Seem to recall him playing very little FC cricket after that for the next couple of years.

I can't believe how we stayed optimistic for so long looking back, especially since Marto was right in the middle of his "I will bowl ten feet outside off and go around the wicket to every left hander I see" phase, which had Zinzan and I steaming. Bowling wise we had O'Brien, Vettori, Annoying Marto, Mohammad Southee and nothing.

 

[Athlai]

It says "update the database you lazy **** Cribb or I'll just be telling you what I thought in early 2012".

Get on it. We need to know what the cricketing master computer says to do.