**Official** West Indies in England 2012

[Uppercut]

They only part i don't like is the setting men on the boundary to get tail enders on strike. It hasn't worked pretty much ever (see Dhoni last year, Samuels this) yet Strauss continues to do it.

It worked perfectly against Dhoni tbh. He lasted a few overs longer but he definitely scored fewer runs than he would have with the field up.

Grinds my gears how commentators constantly whine about this. It's so, so obviously the right tactic. Why would you have a man saving a single that the set batsman probably won't even take? They're just- as usual- confusing what the best strategy is with what they'd like to see as spectators.

 

[Briony]

He was able to call the shots in those Tests as well, we were all over Sri Lanka and Pakistan in the field.

Yes fair point.

 

[Furball]

Grinds my gears how commentators constantly whine about this. It's so, so obviously the right tactic. Why would you have a man saving a single that the set batsman probably won't even take?

They're just- as usual- confusing what the best strategy is with what they'd like to see as spectators.

I don't think I've ever seen it work though. Bowlers seem to lose all their effectiveness when they're bowling at a field that is designed not to get wickets.

 

[Spark]

It worked perfectly against Dhoni tbh. He lasted a few overs longer but he definitely scored fewer runs than he would have with the field up.

Grinds my gears how commentators constantly whine about this. It's so, so obviously the right tactic. Why would you have a man saving a single that the set batsman probably won't even take? They're just- as usual- confusing what the best strategy is with what they'd like to see as spectators.

Hmm. Can think of a number of examples where it's backfired spectacularly. Even accounting for the black swan effect, I think it's usually a good idea to try and get both batsmen out, especially given that most tailenders can definitely at least keep out decent deliveries nowadays.

 

[Furball]

I wish we could clone Jimmeh so he could stand at slip to his own bowling.

 

[Furball]

How in the name of Christ does a spinner over-step by that much?

 

[Uppercut]

Hmm. Can think of a number of examples where it's backfired spectacularly.

Surely you need to speculate pretty hard on the alternative that never happened to come to a conclusion like that. It's not like tail-end comebacks first came into being with the tactic of setting back the field, I doubt they've even become more common. Frustrated fans just have something new to blame them on.

Even accounting for the black swan effect, I think it's usually a good idea to try and get both batsmen out, especially given that most tailenders can definitely at least keep out decent deliveries nowadays.

Bit of a straw man there, it's not like anyone ever argues the opposite. Having a point instead of a deep point or a cover instead of an extra cover doesn't affect your ability to get the batsman out much anyway. If you're going at him with no slips, you've gone too far, but Strauss very rarely does that.

 

[Spikey]

It worked perfectly against Dhoni tbh. He lasted a few overs longer but he definitely scored fewer runs than he would have with the field up.

or you could just bowl normal test cricket bowling with a normal test cricket field to Dhoni which will remove him quick smart

 

[Cabinet96]

Agree with Uppercut. Think the commentators moan too much about captains setting the field back. It's always seemed the right move to me. If you keep your catches your not really lowering your chances of getting wickets, yet you can stop your chances of leaking boundaries.

 

[Uppercut]

or you could just bowl normal test cricket bowling with a normal test cricket field to Dhoni which will remove him quick smart

I always wondered why no one ever tried that in ODIs. Same with Yuvraj. If you just try to get them out for a couple of overs it'll probably work.

 

[Jacknife]

I reckon if this game had have gone 5 days there would have been a fair bit of spin out there, the last few overs there's been a few deliveries that have turned.

 

[GIMH]

So Samuels getting Strauss out means he leads the run charts for the series by 1

 

[Biryani Pillow]

I reckon if this game had have gone 5 days there would have been a fair bit of spin out there, the last few overs there's been a few deliveries that have turned.

If England had needed to call on Swann earlier I reckon he'd have settled the innings pretty quickly.

Reckon Strauss just fancied a leisurely shower before the presentations?

And the Boremy Army are droning away.......

 

[Jacknife]

That's that then, well played England & well played Samuels.

 

[Biryani Pillow]

MoM = Strauss or Bresnan

Strauss is the obvious but Tim's bowling on that pitch, and his spell last night which moved the game forward rather a lot, might actually be more deserving.

 

[MW1304]

Samuels is the obvious tbh although it'll probably be Bres.

 

[Biryani Pillow]

Samuels is the obvious tbh although it'll probably be Bres.

On the losing side - by 9 wickets?

Would be a surprise.

 

[MW1304]

Should have no bearing on MOTM IMO.

 

[stumpski]

Good to see Bresnan - an often overlooked player - collect it, beside the eight wickets his runs were important to England getting a lead.

Lots of talk about resting bowlers - don't see the need for it if they're all fully fit, with the 3rd Test 10 days away - and on that point why do the Windies only have a two day game against Leics? The Sri Lankans had a three-dayer against Essex between the 2nd and 3rd Tests last year.

 

[MW1304]

Never seen Marlon in interview before, WAG.