***Official*** West Indies in Australia

[aussie]

haha well i'm just keep the other 5% on hold after i view how he goes in the super-test.

 

[Mister Wright]

haha well i'm just keep the other 5% on hold after i view how he goes in the super-test.

Even if Watson performs poorly in the super test I think they will stick with him. Unless someone like Jason Gillespie, Mitchell Johnson, Nathan Bracken or Stewart Clark take 17 wickets in their first Pura Cup games Australia will go with the 2 spinners and Watson as the back up seamer.

 

[jlo33692]

Erm no, they don't!

Unless you count 1 or 2 games every 4 seasons as playing.

err yes i count them as playing exactly what i said marc,they do play them,even if 1 time a year they do play,think your picking at straws there m8

 

[jlo33692]

Which are these good and great pace attacks of which you speak then?

well Marc you tell me,any pace attack that he has played against at test level in the last 12 years.
I didnt say he was better than sir viv it was just making a point...But are you trying to say he fluked his 55 run average over 12 years? his batting we have already said is at around 20s against spin in india,so he moust have got the runs somewhere or do you disagree with that also?
So my answer is every single player that has bowled in the last 12 years against australia,if you say they are all hopeless or no good,well he can only bat against what is put in front of him,but i would think that at anytime of any year most teams have 1 or 2 good to very good fast bowlers.Or do you disagree with that also?

 

[marc71178]

err yes i count them as playing exactly what i said marc,they do play them,even if 1 time a year they do play,think your picking at straws there m8

No, playing 1 game a year is nothing at all - means jot all.

 

[marc71178]

well Marc you tell me,any pace attack that he has played against at test level in the last 12 years.

So go on then, I'm waiting for these good or great pace attacks he's supposedly played against - because you've not provided them (funnily because they don't exist)

He may have an average of 55, and struggle against the spinners - but that doesn't mean he's great against pace if he's not faced many great pace bowlers.

 

[jlo33692]

So go on then, I'm waiting for these good or great pace attacks he's supposedly played against - because you've not provided them (funnily because they don't exist)

He may have an average of 55, and struggle against the spinners - but that doesn't mean he's great against pace if he's not faced many great pace bowlers.

Ok then Marc he is a dud then, i cant be bothered looking up who has bowled in the last 12 years at test level,just mark down everyone who has represented every test playing nation in last 12 years as a pace bowler then thats who he has faced,you obviosly dont rate him ,i do so leave it at that then,if i name a couple of , players just of top of my head,in the 2 pakistan players wasim akram ,wakar youness,and chuck in Shoab acktar,as well as ambrose (none from england i will agree there) will you agree they are any good>?
Anyway marc facts are as this...Ponting is the captain and holds down the number 3 batting spot ,which is regarded for the best players in the team anyway number 3 in the best team in the world,averaging 55 in an era that is generally accepted as producing perhaps the best team of all time in cricket and he has the best average of the players that represented the team in that period.
But im sure you will find some other comment about why he is no good ,so save your self some time,i am off to listen to some sense rather than ppl taking pot shots at great players becayse they are looking for any point to win,,,you win marc he is a dud ,see ya

 

[jlo33692]

by the way it is more than 1 game per year,so get the facts right and 2 yes the question is or was do they play against each other and i said yes,not much but yes,and your even finding something to say thats wrong hahahaha unreal m8, you win this one too i agree they dont play each other if it is more than 2 or 3 times a year it is not counted as playing against each other,,,what next marc???
black is white ? nigh nighs find another bloke to try and win your points of as i cant be bothered

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Ok then Marc he is a dud then, i cant be bothered looking up who has bowled in the last 12 years at test level

You don't have to. Just think of how many great pace bowlers there have been in the last 12 years, though Ricky ponting has only been playing Test cricket for 10 of them, but say what.

Wasim Akram
Waqar Younis
Courtney Walsh
Curtly Ambrose
Glenn McGrath
Shaun Pollock
arguably Jason Gillespie
perhaps Shoaib Akhtar in recent times
possibly Javagal Srinath
long shot Makhaya Ntini
feeling generous? maybe Daren Gough

Now there are your bowlers. I've done the "hard" work for you. Make your point.

 

[Eclipse]

You don't have to. Just think of how many great pace bowlers there have been in the last 12 years, though Ricky ponting has only been playing Test cricket for 10 of them, but say what.

Wasim Akram
Waqar Younis
Courtney Walsh
Curtly Ambrose
Glenn McGrath
Shaun Pollock
arguably Jason Gillespie
perhaps Shoaib Akhtar in recent times
possibly Javagal Srinath
long shot Makhaya Ntini
feeling generous? maybe Daren Gough

Now there are your bowlers. I've done the "hard" work for you. Make your point.

Good record against all of those bowlers exept Ambrose I think? might be Walsh who has his wicket quite a few times.. i get them confused

And where is Donald?

Honestly he's not the best player of seam on a wicket that moves around off the seam alot but on any reasonable pitch I've never really seen him troubled by anyone much..

And as far as shot play goes he's always had all the shots to counter an agressive fast bowler, anyone who would bat against Shoiab and Sami with no helmet is someone who is confident of his backfoot play. Infact he's done that against most if not all those bowlers at one time or another.

 

[vic_orthdox]

averaging 55 in an era that is generally accepted as producing perhaps the best team of all time in cricket

Generally accepted by you...

 

[vic_orthdox]

To say that because someone averages more than another player he is better than said player, that's just ridiculous. I stated that the Australian team has a problem against quality pace

Depends on your definition of quality pace. I think it's just that they have a problem against the moving ball - I was squirming in my chair watching the Aussies face guys like Ian Bell and Paul Collingwood hooping it a long way at a pedestrian pace, because they just looked like knicking it all the time.

Against quality "pace", they haven't been any weaker than any other team. They've faced guys like Akthar, Ambrose and Walsh reasonably well, and it was the same with Harmison this series (who is more of a "pace" bowler, IMO, as opposed to Flintoff and Jones, whose abilty to do more with the ball makes them a different proposition altogether).

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

More accurate to say quality seam then, or quality bowling in general. This England attack is the first attack of true quality that THIS Australian team has faced, and they got shown up for it. Geoff Boycott made an interesting comment during the Ashes. He said that Australia's success has largely come because of batting dominance. They've scored so many runs and so quickly, that in the past they could afford to get away with the bowling attack not firing as it should. In this year's Ashes series, the bowling attack did not fire as it should, but the batting was so poor (not one 400+ total), Australia ended up losing because of it.

 

[marc71178]

by the way it is more than 1 game per year,so get the facts right

So how many Domestic FC games have the likes of Ponting, Hayden, Langer etc. played in the last 3 or 4 years then?

 

[jlo33692]

So how many Domestic FC games have the likes of Ponting, Hayden, Langer etc. played in the last 3 or 4 years then?

Marc you dont get it do you......Listen as i say it again, the comment was played that they Ponting didnt have to [play against the other aussies,i said they do in the state games not much but they do.
So weatehr they play 1 time 6 times or 2 times a year then they play dont they?

anyways drop it i said marc as i cant be bothered argueing with ppl like you that take out 1 little snippet out of ppl points and post them and disect them and when shown what you want you then post something like this above???? The point is again they play each other ,,THEY PLAY EACH OTHER,what part do you not undersatand. now can you please drop it as you are like a dog with a bone that twists ppls posts to suit your arguement.

 

[jlo33692]

Generally accepted by you...

No generally accepted by most cricket observers.the ones with a bit of sense that is.
who know a bit about cricket

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Marc has a point though. Playing 1 or 2 domestic games per year is nothing to back up your claims.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

No generally accepted by most cricket observers.the ones with a bit of sense that is.
who know a bit about cricket

You contradict yourself, because by that definition, most cricket observers don't have a bit of sense or know a bit about cricket. Ricky Ponting didn't produce a great Australia outfit. Steve Waugh did far more to that extent. Ponting inherited a great team, which still may not be the best there ever was.

 

[Prince EWS]

You contradict yourself, because by that definition, most cricket observers don't have a bit of sense or know a bit about cricket.

I'd actually agree with that definition.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I'd actually agree with that definition.

I would too, but that's not the definition he intended to pose, seeing as it doesn't support his point.