***Official*** West Indies in Australia

[jlo33692]

No i am trying to work out what this means

Because Ponting IS Australia. Funny, I thought McGrath was Australia. How else did Australia let the Ashes slip?

If you're going to challenge my point, give me something reasonable.

 

[jlo33692]

Is that what you take from my point? When did I mention Ponting as no good?

Come on, man. Read, then reply with some maturity please.

The likes of Hayden, Gilchrist and Ponting smashed substandard attacks about for a few years, built massive averages, then were humbled by quality pace.
I would say right here you are saying that Ponting is not very good against quality attacks ,as you call them,

My First point still stands that i think you are a bit harsh on Ponting saying he has not faced any good bowling over the years If that offends you i cant help that as it wasnt meant to,you are then the one who jumped in and said you want something reasonable if i am going to challenge your point,I then give you something reasonable and you reply with is that what you take from my point,come on read with Maturity,,,well then can you please explain what you are trying to say because you are confusing the hell out of me. If you dont like the aussies then say so but dont beat around the bush man.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

The likes of Hayden, Gilchrist and Ponting smashed substandard attacks about for a few years, built massive averages, then were humbled by quality pace.
I would say right here you are saying that Ponting is not very good against quality attacks ,as you call them,

My First point still stands that i think you are a bit harsh on Ponting saying he has not faced any good bowling over the years If that offends you i cant help that as it wasnt meant to,you are then the one who jumped in and said you want something reasonable if i am going to challenge your point,I then give you something reasonable and you reply with is that what you take from my point,come on read with Maturity,,,well then can you please explain what you are trying to say because you are confusing the hell out of me. If you dont like the aussies then say so but dont beat around the bush man.

To this point I've not belittled Ponting as a batsman. All batsmen have flaws.

To say that because someone averages more than another player he is better than said player, that's just ridiculous. I stated that the Australian team has a problem against quality pace. Sorry if I touched a nerve, but address my point and I shall regard whatever you have to say.

 

[honestbharani]

Ponting has a better average than BC LARA,and V Richards, so if ponting is no good against the fast guys i guess these guys were worse then?
Heres to ricky Ponting then if you are going to post silly answers Mr then please give me something of substance rather than your opinion only
http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/australia/content/player/7133.html

Ponting has never faced McGrath, Gillespie, Warne and another decent bowler together. He struggles to score 20s in India against quality spin. He is not even close to BCL or Viv.

 

[jlo33692]

To this point I've not belittled Ponting as a batsman. All batsmen have flaws.

To say that because someone averages more than another player he is better than said player, that's just ridiculous. I stated that the Australian team has a problem against quality pace. Sorry if I touched a nerve, but address my point and I shall regard whatever you have to say.

Dont worry about it mr ,you are just looking to have an argument and your not getting one with me.
We clearly differ in that you can now tell me that warne is a better batsman that Don Bradman but i cannot dispute it becuase you do not believe that averages are what ultimatly has to show in each period what a batsman has done. Therefor your asking me for proof and how can i give you any but averages,what will i just say i think that Ponting is better? will that do...now please answer why are you knocking the hell out of australians a few posts back,do you not like the australians?Please dont say you were not and have me go and retrieve your early posts???

 

[jlo33692]

Ponting has never faced McGrath, Gillespie, Warne and another decent bowler together. He struggles to score 20s in India against quality spin. He is not even close to BCL or Viv.

he has faced them,do you think they dont play in the state games? But i guess you are talking about tests?or ODI?Well if we take your point to the extreme then did Viv richards face holding,marshall.ambrose,washe,garnerdaniels,etc etc?so all i can give you is the ultimate guide to settle scores at the end of the day and that my friend is the averages,if you think someone else is better and i dont agree how else can i prove my point but with avergares? Are they not anything in your eyes,maybe we shouldnt have them then. Not even close to them? what planet are you on there?

 

[honestbharani]

he has faced them,do you think they dont play in the state games? But i guess you are talking about tests?or ODI?Well if we take your point to the extreme then did Viv richards face holding,marshall.ambrose,washe,garnerdaniels,etc etc?so all i can give you is the ultimate guide to settle scores at the end of the day and that my friend is the averages,if you think someone else is better and i dont agree how else can i prove my point but with avergares? Are they not anything in your eyes,maybe we shouldnt have them then. Not even close to them? what planet are you on there?

He faced them and apparently played them really well in the county games. I don't think Ponting has scored a lot against these guys in the Australian state championship. Anyways, his weakness against India in India still prevents him being rated in the same league as BCL or Viv

 

[honestbharani]

Juz to set the record straight, I am not suggesting Ponting is not a very good test batsman. It is just that he is still not in the same league as Lara or Viv, IMO at least. He is still one of the best in the world at the moment.

 

[jlo33692]

He faced them and apparently played them really well in the county games. I don't think Ponting has scored a lot against these guys in the Australian state championship. Anyways, his weakness against India in India still prevents him being rated in the same league as BCL or Viv

Honest,i agree with you that ponting record against spin in india is bad,that was not my point m8. my original point was this,and you can check it up above
quote Mr ,i would reckon that Ponting has faced good and great pace attacks before and has batted superbly,i think thats being a bit harsh on him as he has batted against the worlds best to get the average he has.
Now we both agree that his record against spin isnt crash hot huh? well he must get an average of the pace bpowlers then to average 55,which i believe he plays the quicks very well,that was all i said in ragards to Pontings batting..
Mr mxyz responded with this
Because Ponting IS Australia. Funny, I thought McGrath was Australia. How else did Australia let the Ashes slip?
If you're going to challenge my point, give me something reasonable

And so on,so i said he has played and does play the worlds best and fastest bowlers well,which he must not agree with, that is what i think and i dont know why mr xyz is so touchy about the aussies ? it was just a harmeless comment and he seemed set to pounce? i dont understand what the hell he is on about really????
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[honestbharani]

Fair enough. I thought you were trying to suggest that Ponting was better than Lara and Viv. Sorry about that. Damn misunderstanding.

 

[jlo33692]

sorry wrong post hahaha

No worries honest,i just couldnt follow what mr was getting at,but anyways we will have to agree to disagree,will you be watching the test with the ROW on friday?

 

[marc71178]

Mr ,i would reckon that Ponting has faced good and great pace attacks before and has batted superbly

Which are these good and great pace attacks of which you speak then?

 

[marc71178]

Ponting has a better average than BC LARA,and V Richards, so if ponting is no good against the fast guys i guess these guys were worse then?

Hmm, I wonder how many people would pick Ponting ahead of Richards in any team?

 

[marc71178]

he has faced them,do you think they dont play in the state games?

Erm no, they don't!

Unless you count 1 or 2 games every 4 seasons as playing.

 

[aussie]

1. I already made it clear that it doesn't matter whether I rate those attacks. This current Australian team has 3 players who featured against either attack. That is all.

2. How many of this team has been around for the last 10 years?? I never said Australia could never play quality pace bowling, but this team cannot. The likes of Hayden, Gilchrist and Ponting smashed substandard attacks about for a few years, built massive averages, then were humbled by quality pace.

fair enough....

 

[Mister Wright]

why? i dont see any reason how his bowling in this series has changed from what it was before. even his figures in county cricket this season have been extremely poor.

I don't know if the reception is poor from where you were watching the cricket, but he didn't bowl that badly. He kept the ball in the right spot and was lively with his place. He did what he should do and needs to do, bowl the ball in the right places. We're talking very good figures against the best ODI batsman in the world atm and he bowled well to get the figures he did.

 

[andyc]

I don't really want to read back some pages, so what do you guys reckon the chances of Watson making the first test are?

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I don't really want to read back some pages, so what do you guys reckon the chances of Watson making the first test are?

Fair to good? Can't get more ambiguous than that (unless I stated "poor to good").

 

[aussie]

I don't really want to read back some pages, so what do you guys reckon the chances of Watson making the first test are?

i'm, 95% sure he'll be playing

 

[Mister Wright]

i'm, 95% sure he'll be playing

Make that 100% as far as I'm concerned.