***Official*** West Indies in Australia

[honestbharani]

Exactly - and at the end of the day that's what counts.

Hence Trescothick with his career average in the mid 40s is, contrary to what some people think, a damn fine Test player.

The thing is, it gets really annoying at times. Like at Edgbaston in the first dig, Tresco was going great guns and then got out to the stupidest poke at a harmless ball. I guess we juz have to live with it.

 

[Mister Wright]

despite taking wickets with mediocre balls and not doing anything threatening throughout his spell?

I'll give you one chance, and one chance only to take this comment back...

 

[aussie]

Lara hasn't dominated the last couple of times he's been in Australia, but he's scored a century each time he's toured, one of which was 277. The others were 132 and, of course, a brilliant 182, when he was in terrible form otherwise. He averages 40.11 in Australia.

Matthew "Slogger" Hayden

He scored 400 runs at 50 against the might English

1. True but other than his 1st tour he hasn't dominated in a series in Australia since

2. Why call Hayden a slogger when he clearly isn't?

3. Well i dont think England attack were as lethal all-round as it was this year. Firstly in all most all the test they were flat tracks, Harmison wasn't bowling at his best, Jones was unfit, Freddie wasn't near as good as this year, Hoggard was his usual & Gilo was superb. I honestly feel if Gayle had encountered the pitches & all-round strenght of the england attack as this year he would have struggled.

 

[aussie]

is that why he was so economical in those games?
he was wayward for the large part in both games, and the fact that he took 3 wickets from mediocre deliveries led people to think otherwise.

he wasn't wayward at all...

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

2. Why call Hayden a slogger when he clearly isn't?

3. Well i dont think England attack were as lethal all-round as it was this year. Firstly in all most all the test they were flat tracks, Harmison wasn't bowling at his best, Jones was unfit, Freddie wasn't near as good as this year, Hoggard was his usual & Gilo was superb. I honestly feel if Gayle had encountered the pitches & all-round strenght of the england attack as this year he would have struggled.

2. It was sarcasm.

3. The reason England troubled Australia this year was not because of the pitches. It was because of the ability to reverse-swing the ball and the fact that Australia cannot play quality pace bowling.

What exactly must Gayle do to prove that he actually can bat? No one is calling him a Lara, but he has been effective. He can improve, but to this point, he has still been effective. Whether or not he'll score runs on a bowler's surface is not very relevant in this day and age, as the chances of encountering one are remote.

 

[aussie]

3. The reason England troubled Australia this year was not because of the pitches. It was because of the ability to reverse-swing the ball and the fact that Australia cannot play quality pace bowling.

What exactly must Gayle do to prove that he actually can bat? No one is calling him a Lara, but he has been effective. He can improve, but to this point, he has still been effective. Whether or not he'll score runs on a bowler's surface is not very relevant in this day and age, as the chances of encountering one are remote.

1. Yes and Gayle didn't encounter any of that last season so if he did he would have struggled as well, no doubt australia were shown up this season by england top-quality 4 prong but i dont believe one can frankly say Australia `` CANNOT`` play quality pace bowling. During the last 10 years of Australia dominance in test they have harldy encountered much quality fast bowling attacks other than (WI 95,96 & PAK 99) & they played them well, so to me if the rest of the world had quality pace bowling attacks in the last 10 years they would have still played them well. Them failing againts England 4-prong was simply because they hadn't faced enough bowling of that quality & were found wanting.

2. Dont get me wrong liam i'm not underating Gayle has a batsman i was just saying he would have struggled if he had encountered the current England attack in top form this year last year thats all....

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

1. Yes and Gayle didn't encounter any of that last season so if he did he would have struggled as well, no doubt australia were shown up this season by england top-quality 4 prong but i dont believe one can frankly say Australia `` CANNOT`` play quality pace bowling. During the last 10 years of Australia dominance in test they have harldy encountered much quality fast bowling attacks other than (WI 95,96 & PAK 99) & they played them well, so to me if the rest of the world had quality pace bowling attacks in the last 10 years they would have still played them well. Them failing againts England 4-prong was simply because they hadn't faced enough bowling of that quality & were found wanting.

I could care less about the WI attack of 1995/96. How many of this current Australian team played against that attack? Besides, there were really just 2 great bowlers in that attack.

Regarding the Pakistan attack of 1999, the bowlers to feature on Australia's tour of Pakistan and Pakistan's tour of Australia between 1998-1999:

Wasim Akram : GREAT
Waqar Younis : GREAT
Mohammed Zahid : hardly
Azhar Mahmood : hardly
Abdur Razzaq : hardly
Shoaib Akhtar : was hardly the bowler he is now

Aside from the fact that only 3 of the batsmen who played Pakistan then are in this current team (Gilchrist, Ponting, Langer), I rate this England attack as a much better allround attack. Flintoff bowled superbly in that series, and Simon Jones was a revelation. Harmison did enough, and Hoggard stepped up when required. It was the first time this Australian team came across an attack of genuine quality in many a year, and they struggled because of it.

2. Dont get me wrong liam i'm not underating Gayle has a batsman i was just saying he would have struggled if he had encountered the current England attack in top form this year last year thats all....

Worry not. The Gayle comment in my last post wasn't targetting you. It was making a statement about earlier comments by others.

 

[tooextracool]

I'll give you one chance, and one chance only to take this comment back...

why? i dont see any reason how his bowling in this series has changed from what it was before. even his figures in county cricket this season have been extremely poor.

 

[tooextracool]

he wasn't wayward at all...

are you kidding? his first spells in both games were all over the place, and he got punished for it.

 

[tooextracool]

Wasim Akram : GREAT
Waqar Younis : GREAT
Mohammed Zahid : hardly
Azhar Mahmood : hardly
Abdur Razzaq : hardly
Shoaib Akhtar : was hardly the bowler he is now

not to mention that both wasim and waqar were clearly past their prime.

 

[aussie]

I could care less about the WI attack of 1995/96. How many of this current Australian team played against that attack? Besides, there were really just 2 great bowlers in that attack.

It was the first time this Australian team came across an attack of genuine quality in many a year, and they struggled because of it.

1. Why care less about that those attacks, if you only rate Amborse & Walsh as great then England dont have any great bowlers then because Bishop & the two Benjamins were good & thus made up good attacks in 95 in the carribbean & 96 down under.

2. Exactly it was first time in a long time thats why they failed, all i'm saying is if they had faced more during the past 10 years i strongly believe that they would have been able to counter them.

 

[aussie]

are you kidding? his first spells in both games were all over the place, and he got punished for it.

yea but after that he improved & was overall good in the first two games while in the 3rd game he was tidy for the majority.

 

[tooextracool]

yea but after that he improved & was overall good in the first two games while in the 3rd game he was tidy for the majority.

which does not make him accurate. he was accurate for a part of that spell and he was wayward for part of it too. and that doesnt suddenly make him good enough to be a half decent bowler.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

1. Why care less about that those attacks, if you only rate Amborse & Walsh as great then England dont have any great bowlers then because Bishop & the two Benjamins were good & thus made up good attacks in 95 in the carribbean & 96 down under.

2. Exactly it was first time in a long time thats why they failed, all i'm saying is if they had faced more during the past 10 years i strongly believe that they would have been able to counter them.

1. I already made it clear that it doesn't matter whether I rate those attacks. This current Australian team has 3 players who featured against either attack. That is all.

2. How many of this team has been around for the last 10 years?? I never said Australia could never play quality pace bowling, but this team cannot. The likes of Hayden, Gilchrist and Ponting smashed substandard attacks about for a few years, built massive averages, then were humbled by quality pace.

 

[jlo33692]

1. I already made it clear that it doesn't matter whether I rate those attacks. This current Australian team has 3 players who featured against either attack. That is all.

2. How many of this team has been around for the last 10 years?? I never said Australia could never play quality pace bowling, but this team cannot. The likes of Hayden, Gilchrist and Ponting smashed substandard attacks about for a few years, built massive averages, then were humbled by quality pace.

Mr ,i would reckon that Ponting has faced good and great pace attacks before and has batted superbly,i think thats being a bit harsh on him as he has batted against the worlds best to get the average he has.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Mr ,i would reckon that Ponting has faced good and great pace attacks before and has batted superbly,i think thats being a bit harsh on him as he has batted against the worlds best to get the average he has.

Because Ponting IS Australia. Funny, I thought McGrath was Australia. How else did Australia let the Ashes slip?

If you're going to challenge my point, give me something reasonable.

 

[jlo33692]

Now the WI r gonna give Aussies some tough time with BCL, Sarwan and Gayle back in the side.Hoping for a tough contest between these 2 equally balanced sides.

2 equally balanced sides?
you are not putting the west indies on par with australia are you?
I will accept you made a slip of the type board hahaha

 

[jlo33692]

Because Ponting IS Australia. Funny, I thought McGrath was Australia. How else did Australia let the Ashes slip?

If you're going to challenge my point, give me something reasonable.

HUH?

What are you on about mr ?
you have lost me there m8,what do you mean cause ponting is australia???

 

[jlo33692]

Because Ponting IS Australia. Funny, I thought McGrath was Australia. How else did Australia let the Ashes slip?

If you're going to challenge my point, give me something reasonable.

Ponting has a better average than BC LARA,and V Richards, so if ponting is no good against the fast guys i guess these guys were worse then?
Heres to ricky Ponting then if you are going to post silly answers Mr then please give me something of substance rather than your opinion only
http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/australia/content/player/7133.html

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Ponting has a better average than BC LARA,and V Richards, so if ponting is no good against the fast guys i guess these guys were worse then?

Is that what you take from my point? When did I mention Ponting as no good?

Come on, man. Read, then reply with some maturity please.