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**Official**VB Series 2005 Australia,Pakistan,West Indies.

Choora

State Regular
Beleg said:
Inzy will be 35 this spring, in a couple of months, and might I remind you how he is doing in international cricket at the moment?

Who is to say that he cannot maintain the quality of his play for another couple years? He isn't even past his prime yet, IMO. If he feels that World Cup 07 is important enough, he might just do so. You cannot really judge either way.
Two years is a long long time. I cannot remember a single Pakistani cricketer who had cut down on test matches to play WC matches. What makes you think Inzi will be different from them? Besides test matches are such a superior format of cricket than cricketers hates to miss the matches.

As for putting the whole blame on Shoaib Akhtar, what were his exact words?
Don't remember the exact words, but i remember Inzi claiming that Pak lost to India because Akhtar wasn't serious with his cricket.He even suggested that Akhtar was fit enough to play but just didn't wanted to play and his injury was an excuse.WE all know the truth though.
Whether the two guys likes each other or not, the way Inzi attacked Akhtar was a disgrace, and yes Inzi was wrong in that case.


How is Younis Khan a better captain then Inzamam [at this moment]?
Lots of factors.Younis i think would be more inspirational which is very important quality for leadership.In the last Indo-Pak series Ganguly being a motivated and inspiring leader lead India to victory, Inzi on the other hand looked completely the opposite.



We don't have to wait long to know as to who would be captaining Pak after the Indo-Pak series. If Pak loses to India again and Inzi again shows poor leadership then i think he will get the axe.
 
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Beleg

International Regular
Speaking of disciplinary stains as you were, how would a player who loses his match payment by telling batsmen to f*** off be fit to lead a team?
What instance are you refering too?

And even if he did that, was he the only one?

[in Pakistan telling someone to **** off isn't as big a misdemaneour as going to nightclubs]

So Butt and Kaneria can be groomed as captain, but Younis cannot be considered for captaincy? strange. Butt interestinly has just started his career.
Sure Younis too can be groomed for captaincy. But he first needs to cement his place in the team. He certainly isn't good enough, or popular enough, or dare I say, experienced enough to captain Pakistan successfully at this moment.

If you think that Inzamam has the best cricket brain in the entire Pak team then what can i say? i wonder why he is so clueless on the field despite possessing such brilliant brain?
What do you think having a good cricketing brain entitles?
If he didn't possess a good cricketing brain he wouldn't be the batsman he is. And from what I have heard off him from his press-conference, he grasps the problems Pakistan is facing and quite often gives out pretty reasonable statements.

And why do you say clueless? Just because he can remain stonefaced and passive for long period of time and likes to avoid limelight doesn't mean he is a dud. He is criticised for his field positioning [fair point, but then we all saw Youhana's captainacy, was it any better?], his bowling rotations [sometimes good, sometimes bad] and his spats with Shoaib. [which I have allready explained earlier]

And as for why Younis khan isn't a permanent member of Pak oneday team, well let see, how many mid-order batsman can find a place in Pak team? Answer is just two, as rest gets to the allrounders.
Salman Butt
Yasir Hameed
Inzamam
Youhana
Malik
Razzaq
Akmal
Mahmood
Afridi
Akhtar
Kaneria

Of the top six, the only one he can possibly displace is Hameed.
And on the team playing in the current tour,

Butt
Akmal
Youhana
Inzamam
Malik
Hafeez
Afridi
Razzaq
Mahmood
Rana
????

who can he replace apart from Hafeez? [who primarily is an opener and only played at 3 because they felt they need Akmal for the pinch-hitting]


He looks to be the kind of a guy whose performance would improve with responsibility.
Just how do you infer that? If it's your opinion, then it's fair enough [though I personally think otherwise] but if you mean it as an assertion then how can you back it?

as for throwing Inzy out of the team: I think you won't get many, if any to agree with you on that - reasons aforementioned plenty.

Younis Khan is a prospect for future, but at the moment he just isn't mature, experienced and good enough to replace Inzy. Make him the vice-captain, send him on a tour or three with Inzamam, and see how he fares. You cannot just ask anyone to captain a team who hasn't had any substantial previous experience of captaining or being close to the position.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
social said:
Unfortunately it doesnt take into account the fact that batting conditions were infinitely more difficult after the stoppage, the Australians had to restart their innings (perhaps leading to a further blow-out in the run-rate), and the 2 wickets they had lost were significant batsmen.
That's the whole reasoning behind it - the top wickets are ranked as higher costing, and equate to a higher amount of their resources being used.
 

Mr Casson

Cricketer Of The Year
Beleg said:
What instance are you refering too?

And even if he did that, was he the only one?

[in Pakistan telling someone to **** off isn't as big a misdemaneour as going to nightclubs]
I was referring to the incident where he told a batsman to f*** off and lost his match payment for it. :p
 

Choora

State Regular
Beleg said:
And why do you say clueless? Just because he can remain stonefaced and passive for long period of time and likes to avoid limelight doesn't mean he is a dud. He is criticised for his field positioning [fair point, but then we all saw Youhana's captainacy, was it any better?], his bowling rotations [sometimes good, sometimes bad] and his spats with Shoaib. [which I have allready explained earlier] .
His facial expression has nothing to do with it, its more to do with fielding position & bowling rotation. There wasn't any need to mention Youhanna as we all know how well he did in test matches , that why i never mentioned him as a possible candidate for captaincy.

As to who can Younis replace in the OD side, i have already said that he can only get into the side only if Inzi is thrown out.




Just how do you infer that? If it's your opinion, then it's fair enough [though I personally think otherwise] but if you mean it as an assertion then how can you back it?
An opinion, and i think if the guy is given the job then he will prove you wrong.

Younis Khan is a prospect for future, but at the moment he just isn't mature, experienced and good enough to replace Inzy. Make him the vice-captain, send him on a tour or three with Inzamam, and see how he fares. You cannot just ask anyone to captain a team who hasn't had any substantial previous experience of captaining or being close to the position.
And just how much experianced did Inzi had before being named the captain? There have been many examples of players being asked to skip the side without any experiance, some did well others didn't. And how can one judge a players leadership quality by naming him vice captain is beyond me.
 

Beleg

International Regular
And just how much experianced did Inzi had before being named the captain?
About 10 years, I believe. With some few spent as vice captain. ;)

i have already said that he can only get into the side only if Inzi is thrown out.
LoL, In that case, there's no need to argue. Not likely to happen.
 

Choora

State Regular
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If he didn't possess a good cricketing brain he wouldn't be the batsman he is. And from what I have heard off him from his press-conference, he grasps the problems Pakistan is facing and quite often gives out pretty reasonable statements.
Going by that Tendulkar should have been the best captain the world has ever seen.

Even a common man knows the problem the Pakistan cricket team is really facing, if knowing that is an achievement then maybe one of us should also be considered for the job.

As for reasonable statements, half of the time he is attacking Akhtar in open, needless to say that that doesn't solve any problem, it only opens a pandora box and opponents cunningly takes advantage of the situation. He shy away from questions as to why he doesn't bat one down in onedayers when needed.And his last statement on as to wht he batted 5th in the batting order (and Youhanna on 6th slot) against Australia was pretty stupid.
 

Choora

State Regular
Beleg said:
About 10 years, I believe. With some few spent as vice captain. ;)
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10 years as a player and NOT as a captain. And the time he spent as a vice captain, he mostly spend time on football field rather than on cricket field and tried his level best to beat his fellow players.

LoL, In that case, there's no need to argue. Not likely to happen.
Nothing is certain really. I remember after the 03 WC Inzi was dropped from the team by PCB (just one and a half year back).The PCB boss actually tried to get rid of Inzi the way he got rid of W's and Anwar.And that time it was foolish move as there wasn't any suitable candidates avilable.
 
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Beleg

International Regular
Inzy was dropped due to his performance - about 17 runs from 5 matches or something like that.

This is not the scenario right now.

As for your first couple of sentences: LOL!
 

Hoggy31

International Captain
What line-ups does everyone reckon the two teams should field tomorrow, mine are:
Australia:

Clarke
Hayden
Ponting
Martyn
Lehmann
Watson
Haddin
Hogg
Lee
Gillespie
McGrath/Kasprowicz(dunno who i would include:confused1 - probably McGrath)

Pakistan:

Butt
Akmal
Khan
Malik
Ul-Haq
Youhana
Razzaq
Afridi
Mahmood
ul-Hasan
Iftikhar
 
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Beleg

International Regular
Pakistan

Butt
Akmal - WC
Youhana
Inzamam - Captain
Hafeez
Malik
Razzaq
Mahmood
Afridi
Rana
Khalil/Asif [Considering that the top 4 Pakistani fast bowlers are out injured :(]

Australia:

Haddin
Hayden
Ponting
Martyn
Clarke
Lehmann
Watson
Hogg
Lee
Gillespie
McGrath


Edit: Oops, thanks Mr Casson.

Watson won ahead of Symonds due to his bowling.
 
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Mr Mxyzptlk

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tooextracool said:
yes because that makes a big difference! of course the fact that anyone could so easily swap positions of all those players and come up with a completely contradictory result only shows how accurate that really is.
and i assume that bowler's batting abilities dont count either, i mean one team could have 4 walshes and the other could have 4 vettori's yet they would both be equal 8-)
The comparison was done as top opener to top opener, best bat to best bat, wicketkeeper to wicketkeeper, 2nd and 3rd best bat to 2nd and 3rd best bat, slogger to slogger etc. etc.

But I shall never do it again Mr. Cool. Not that you have shown me the error of my ways, I repent. 8-)
tooextracool said:
ok so he won 1 game against india 6 years ago, well done to him for that. if powell was good enough to make the zimbabwe side, id be shocked. especially considering how many 50s hes scored against quality sides in his entire career.
Heh. Trust that Powell has won more than 1 game is his career.
 

Beleg

International Regular
Mr Mxyzptlk said:
Wicket-catcher?
World Champion?
World Cup?
White Castle?
lol, not the first time I have mixed my c's and k's though.









though in a couple of years wasted cricketer might come close
 

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