**Official**VB Series 2005 Australia,Pakistan,West Indies.

[Mr Casson]

Unfortunately it doesnt take into account the fact that batting conditions were infinitely more difficult after the stoppage, the Australians had to restart their innings (perhaps leading to a further blow-out in the run-rate), and the 2 wickets they had lost were significant batsmen.

The names of the batsmen dismissed count for nothing. The D/L method is not there to do the batsmen any favours, and saying "Well you lost your two best batsmen so we'll make it easier for you" is ridiculous.

 

[Beleg]

Slow Love,

but it's not been that rare lately that Australia's been five down for a low total and pulled something special out of the bag.

that was possible but seeing as the required run-rate was above eight, almost out of the realms of probability.

 

[Linda]

Slow Love,



that was possible but seeing as the required run-rate was above eight, almost out of the realms of probability.

Hardly. Never assume with the Aussies.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

its been said 1 million times, some people will just never learn. the man to man comparison doesnt take into account fielding, batting depth, bowling depth or well it only compares random people, which doesnt prove anything.
and personally i'll never get how anyone can put powell down as equal to afridi. if someone can even explain to me how powell merits selection in any side in the world i'll be surprised. at least afridi can be quite brilliant on his day, which is something i cant say about powell.

The man-to-man comparison was only supposed to take into account the batting! It was a batting comparison.

Re: Powell, he has won matches for the West Indies before and had most certainly been brilliant on occasions.

 

[Beleg]

Hardly. Never assume with the Aussies.

Is there ever an end to Aussie arrogance?

 

[Beleg]

IN ODI i think Pak would do better if they are without Inzi, Younis Khan should take his place and should also be appointed captain, i honestly think he will do a good job as a batter and a much better job as a captain.

Even looked at Inzi's recent ODI form? To think that Younis Khan will do a better job as a captain or batter is borderline ridiculous.

 

[Choora]

Inzamum has easily been their best batsman in the VB series so far. He has stabilised the middle order and scored at more than a run a ball. You don't drop the 2nd highest (IIRC) run scorer in the history of ODIs and your captain unless he is in a serious form slump and it is affecting the team.

Some still would, if they realise just how poor the guy's captaincy is, how poor is hid running b/w the wkts and most importantly the fact that the guy wouldn't be playing in the 2007 WC coz he'll be too old.

 

[Beleg]

Some still would, if they realise just how poor the guy's captaincy is, how poor is hid running b/w the wkts and most importantly the fact that the guy wouldn't be playing in the 2007 WC coz he'll be too old.

I am only thankful that those 'some' aren't part of Pakistan cricket management then.

And I won't be betting that he'll not play in 2007 WC, It is, what, 2 years from now? He'll be 37, advanced age but not a dimwit yet. He can easily play till then by droping test cricket and continuing on with ODI's or even, if he keeps himself fit enough, without that. [though the chances of that, admittedly are pretty slim]

And to call for the demotion of your best inform batsman, who is doing all that is expected from him and all he needs to do is beyond inane.

[And I'd like to ask you to point me towards one person who can captain better then him in our current team]

 

[Choora]

Even looked at Inzi's recent ODI form? To think that Younis Khan will do a better job as a captain or batter is borderline ridiculous.

Oh so you think so? Your ex SA coach thinks that Younis can be much better captain than Inzi.Even Imran Khan has put his weight behind Younis khan for captaincy.
To think that Inzi is doing a better job as a skipper than any other Pak player is insult to imagination.The guy suxs as captain, he is laidback, dull and clueless.Pakistan need a captain that is like a fighter, and i think Younis khan has the potential to do a better job.

Younis doesn't even come close to Inzi as far as batting is concerned, but i think the way Inzi is going , he won't be available for 2007 WC. I had the WC in mind when i said that Younis should replace Inzi in OD team.

 

[Choora]

I am only thankful that those 'some' aren't part of Pakistan cricket management then.

Don't be too thankful, the way things work in Pakistan, you will be surprised to see Inzi gone as a captain even after getting approval for the job by PCB a week earlier!

And I won't be betting that he'll not play in 2007 WC, It is, what, 2 years from now? He'll be 37, advanced age but not a dimwit yet. He can easily play till then by droping test cricket and continuing on with ODI's or even, if he keeps himself fit enough, without that. [though the chances of that, admittedly are pretty slim]

37 is really too old, cricketers can certainly play till 37, but they are the one who has to be fit.Inzi doesn't seem to be one of them, and i don't think Inzi is himself going to cut down on test matches.

[And I'd like to ask you to point me towards one person who can captain better then him in our current team]

I already answered that question. Younis Khan is the guy for the job, if someone seriously think that the guy will do a worse job than Inzi then i would say that Pak cricket has very little future.

 

[Beleg]

Oh so you think so? Your ex SA coach thinks that Younis can be much better captain than Inzi.Even Imran Khan has put his weight behind Younis khan for captaincy.
To think that Inzi is doing a better job as a skipper than any other Pak player is insult to imagination.The guy suxs as captain, he is laidback, dull and clueless.Pakistan need a captain that is like a fighter, and i think Younis khan has the potential to do a better job.

Younis doesn't even come close to Inzi as far as batting is concerned, but i think the way Inzi is going , he won't be available for 2007 WC. I had the WC in mind when i said that Younis should replace Inzi in OD team.

Let's see:

Youhana did oh so well in all the tests he skippered in.
Shoaib Akhtar - excuse me, but do we want a player who spends half the time off the field and is prone to sudden injuries at any given time, not to mention has a rather bad disciplinary record [something that will not go well with the board]
Razzaq - even more laid-back then Inzamam, has an adequate enough cricketing brain, but unless they play him as solely a batsman in tests, he has no surety of ever being picked up. And even potentially Razzaq doesn't seem good enough to merit being selected on the basis of capitancy alone

Younis Khan - Imran Khan puts his weight behind many things, doesn't make them all correct. Furthermore, Imran has never played with Khan, never coached him for substantial amount of time, and unless they are great mates I cannot see why Imran's opinion in thismatter can be taken as any more then what it is - an opinion.

And why does Woolmer think he is a better captain then Inzy? Because he is more active in field then Inzamam? But activity alone does not a great captain make. You need a certain presence, a certain image which Younis Khan at the current moment is too immature to possess. You further need a good processable cricketing brain which I certainly am not sure he has. You also need to command a certain respect from other players [specially in a player hegamony like Pakistan] and be an automatic selection in the team you are going to captain.

If Woolmer thinks he is such good captain material and a hope for future why is he keeping him out of the current Pakistani ODI team and why hasn't he lobbied for him to be made vice captain etc?

I agree that Inzy is a far cry from people like Akram and Imran, but he is the best Pakistan has, possesses a good cricketing brain, an analytical mind, is a sure selection regardless of captaincy, demands respect from at least the younger cricketers in the team and doesn't have many stains on his disciplinary record. We have to make do with what we, what we need right now is not someone to replace Inzy, that would be way too pre-mature, but pick a couple from the younger crop and groom them for captaincy. [Salman Butt or Danesh Kaneria for example]

Selection of someone like Akhtar, so different from the stereotypical respectable Pakistani sportsman would cause an uproar back home.

 

[tooextracool]

The man-to-man comparison was only supposed to take into account the batting! It was a batting comparison.

yes because that makes a big difference! of course the fact that anyone could so easily swap positions of all those players and come up with a completely contradictory result only shows how accurate that really is.
and i assume that bowler's batting abilities dont count either, i mean one team could have 4 walshes and the other could have 4 vettori's yet they would both be equal

Re: Powell, he has won matches for the West Indies before and had most certainly been brilliant on occasions.

ok so he won 1 game against india 6 years ago, well done to him for that. if powell was good enough to make the zimbabwe side, id be shocked. especially considering how many 50s hes scored against quality sides in his entire career.

 

[Choora]

I remember Pak's ex coach "Richard Pybuss" strongly opposing the appointment of Inzi as the captain of Pakistan team after the 2003 WC. He had stated then that Younis Khan would have been a much better option. In his view Inzi had no leadership quality and he was of the opinion that when things go wrong with the team Inzi damages the situation further by reacting wierdly. Anyone's remember Inzi attacking Younis Khan over the game of football in 2003 WC?

Even after the test series loss to India, Inzi hysterically but the entire blame on Shoaib Akhtar for the defeat, he raised such a hue and cry that even the chairman of PCB came close to punishing Akhtar, thankfully though the chairman realised that he was only listening to a big fool.

 

[Beleg]

Don't be too thankful, the way things work in Pakistan, you will be surprised to see Inzi gone as a captain even after getting approval for the job by PCB a week earlier!

This is an overtly rhetorically oversimplication of how PCB works, getting old.

37 is really too old, cricketers can certainly play till 37, but they are the one who has to be fit.Inzi doesn't seem to be one of them, and i don't think Inzi is himself going to cut down on test matches.

Inzy will be 35 this spring, in a couple of months, and might I remind you how he is doing in international cricket at the moment?

Who is to say that he cannot maintain the quality of his play for another couple years? He isn't even past his prime yet, IMO.

and i don't think Inzi is himself going to cut down on test matches.

If he feels that World Cup 07 is important enough, he might just do so. You cannot really judge either way.

 

[Beleg]

Even after the test series loss to India, Inzi hysterically but the entire blame on Shoaib Akhtar for the defeat, he raised such a hue and cry that even the chairman of PCB came close to punishing Akhtar, thankfully though the chairman realised that he was only listening to a big fool.

Oh come on! Consipracy theory, ancedotal evidence, player divisions what-not. You really give chairmen PCB too less credit. [Inzy and Shoaib have always been odd with eachother, because, let's face it, Shoaib isn't exactly your favorite teacher's pet]
As for putting the whole blame on Shoaib Akhtar, what were his exact words?

Again you haven't answered any of my questions and points.

How is Younis Khan a better captain then Inzamam [at this moment]?

 

[Mr Casson]

We have to make do with what we, what we need right now is not someone to replace Inzy, that would be way too pre-mature, but pick a couple from the younger crop and groom them for captaincy. [Salman Butt or Danesh Kaneria for example]

Speaking of disciplinary stains as you were, how would a player who loses his match payment by telling batsmen to f*** off be fit to lead a team?

 

[Tim]

On current form, does anyone believe that there is a chance of NZ upsetting Australia in the 5 match ODI series starting next month?

 

[Mr Casson]

On current form, does anyone believe that there is a chance of NZ upsetting Australia in the 5 match ODI series starting next month?

Might be close, but no.

 

[Choora]

And why does Woolmer think he is a better captain then Inzy? Because he is more active in field then Inzamam? But activity alone does not a great captain make. You need a certain presence, a certain image which Younis Khan at the current moment is too immature to possess. You further need a good processable cricketing brain which I certainly am not sure he has. You also need to command a certain respect from other players [specially in a player hegamony like Pakistan] and be an automatic selection in the team you are going to captain.

If Woolmer thinks he is such good captain material and a hope for future why is he keeping him out of the current Pakistani ODI team and why hasn't he lobbied for him to be made vice captain etc?
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I wasn't referring to Woolmer i was referring to Pybuss.
If you think that Inzamam has the best cricket brain in the entire Pak team then what can i say? i wonder why he is so clueless on the field despite possessing such brilliant brain?

And as for why Younis khan isn't a permanent member of Pak oneday team, well let see, how many mid-order batsman can find a place in Pak team? Answer is just two, as rest gets to the allrounders.

demands respect from at least the younger cricketers in the team and doesn't have many stains on his disciplinary record. We have to make do with what we, what we need right now is not someone to replace Inzy, that would be way too pre-mature, but pick a couple from the younger crop and groom them for captaincy. [Salman Butt or Danesh Kaneria for example]

So Butt and Kaneria can be groomed as captain, but Younis cannot be considered for captaincy? strange. Butt interestinly has just started his career.

If Younis Khan is made a captain, i don't see why his team mates won't respect him.He looks to be the kind of a guy whose performance would improve with responsibility. Yes there are some who wouldn't listen to captain Younis Khan, the one's being Akhtar (he showed lil respect to any captain) and Inzi (good for Pak that he won't be on 2007 WC).

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

On current form, does anyone believe that there is a chance of NZ upsetting Australia in the 5 match ODI series starting next month?

A chance, yes. But if they are challenged early on I think Australia will pull it together and win comfortably. New Zealand are undoubtedly a good ODI outfit, and it will be a good series. I'd pick Australia to win it 4-1.