***Official*** Super Series

[Pratters]

I would have thought that Gilchrist has played a lot more games than Sehwag.

So Sehwag according to you has not played enough matches to determine if his average is representative or not? Or do you believe Sehwag cannot carry his average over the next few years?

 

[SirBloody Idiot]

haha Boucher is a class player too, better gloveman.

Despite the fact he hasn't kept to a great spinner on a turning deck, such as a (possible) sixth day SCG pitch against two great spinners in Murali and Vettori. He will be a joke.

 

[greg]

The England football team it seems sometimes, draw or lose virtually every friendly game they play. They have a very good record in competitive matches.

But "they're professionals and they're trying" aren't they?

 

[aussie]

hmmmm, dont want to speak badly towards Katich but if his injury is serious & lets say it forces him out of the super-test & lets say Martyn scores another 50 tomoro morning he could be recalled into the test squad & his test career could be back on track

 

[tooextracool]

What evidence is there that he didnt put the effort in?

He bowled 90 mph and you cant do that without effort.

He got smashed - get over it.

and yet he was wayward beyond question bowling too wide outside off stump and barely seemed to care about it. i dont care about him getting smashed, he got smashed on occasions during the summer too, but i think only a fool would put 100% effort in a game that is as pointless as this one is for flintoff.

Anyone that thinks the World X1 isnt trying to capitalise on the Aussies' supposed decline is kidding themselves.

and anyone who thinks that the english players care one heap about whether they win or not is seriously kidding themselves.
and no one has ever suggested that australia is on the decline in ODI cricket.

 

[tooextracool]

of couse he would put the effort in

he's a proud guy and I don't doubt he would like being smashed around and letting Gilly take the upper hand..

when all the players come out and say "we are taking this very seriously" doesn't that mean anything to you? these guys are pro's and they take EVERY game seriously..

and you of course expect players to come out there and say "we arent going to take this game seriously, because its a pointless game"? there maybe a few players who are playing much the same way as they play for their country, but the vast majority of them couldnt care less whether they won or lost, because what matters most is playing for your country, not in an exhibition game.
as far as flintoff is concerned, yes he maybe a proud guy and wouldnt want gilchrist to hammer him around, but i seriously doubt that he would put in as much effort to get him out as he would if it were in a game in which he was playing for england.

 

[tooextracool]

And why don't you put your money where your mouth is and give a side that can beat Australia and have the right balance? And if you can't then it will show a lot about your creditability.

seriously all you need to do is ask.
i'll pick the 11 first, because i think the super sub rule is the biggest piece of crap rule ive ever seen..

Chris Gayle
Kumar Sangakkara
Rahul Dravid
Ramnaresh Sarwan/Jacques Kallis
Andrew Flintoff
Kevin Pietersen
Abdul Razzaq
Shaun Pollock
Daniel Vettori
Muttiah Muralitharan
Shoaib Akhtar/Makhaya Ntini

Sanath Jayasuriya, Jacques Kallis/Ramnaresh Sarwan, Shahid Afridi,Shoaib Akhtar/Makhaya Ntini.

as far as im concerned, that there includes the best possible players per batting position, with the few compromises- having to have sangakkara opening instead of jayasuriya, despite the latter being the better player. and i also have a replacement for each category in the side.

As Slow Love said this side was picked for commercial interests (ie Sehwag) so the big names were picked and irrespective of where they would bat.

Something you obviously seem to miss.

oh commercial interests, because obviously that is the point of this entire game
AFAIC if this is supposed to be the best ODI side in the world outside of australia then it should be exactly that, otherwise it should just be called 'commercial XI' because that is apparently what they are at the moment.

 

[tooextracool]

Gee tooextra i think one A Gilchrist might disagree there m8, opens the batting in ODI but bats at 6 for aussies in tests.

im referring to one form of the game only. there are obviously some like bevan who were prolific in almost every position, but the vast majority of players are significantly worse off. and even bevan was handicapped by being forced to bat at 6, thanks to the sheer idiocy of the australian selectors and management, which of course isnt anything new.

 

[tooextracool]

What I am trying to do is trying to question and debate what I tend to precieve unfair comments towards the selectors that they have no choice to pick the big names if what you say is true.

they have no choice?
they copped a fair bit of criticism for not picking players like inzamam, chanderpaul,sangakkara and co despite the fact that those 3 actually deserve places in the squad. if they couldnt handle the criticism for not picking lara and sehwag despite the fact that they've both been very ordinary in ODIs for god knows how long,then why the hell are they selectors?

 

[tooextracool]

Averaging nearly 32 with a strike rate of 95 isnt good in one day cricket any more?

except that Virendar sehwag averages 27.89 since 2003 against all sides not including bangladesh and zimbabwe, and his average against australia from 12 games since then is 19.91(which i think should have a major influence in his selection for an ROW XI that is playing australia), his average against england is 7 and his average against SA is 23.
the selection off sehwag over jayasuriya and gayle is simply part of the "lets pick players based on commercial interests garbage", not based on pure performances.

 

[age_master]

im referring to one form of the game only. there are obviously some like bevan who were prolific in almost every position, but the vast majority of players are significantly worse off. and even bevan was handicapped by being forced to bat at 6, thanks to the sheer idiocy of the australian selectors and management, which of course isnt anything new.

Katich, Clarke and Martyn have all been successful opening and batting in the middle order, as was Lehmann come to think of it i think he opened a couple of times too and did alright

 

[marc71178]

To put it into context, Collingwood averages about the same as Sehwag and Colly plays on worse pitches, often comes in with less than 10 overs left or when England are in deep trouble.

Exactly, and is he anywhere near any World XI (unless it's as specialist sub fielder?)

 

[marc71178]

Or do you believe Sehwag cannot carry his average over the next few years?

If the best he can do is maintain that average...

 

[social]

and yet he was wayward beyond question bowling too wide outside off stump and barely seemed to care about it. i dont care about him getting smashed, he got smashed on occasions during the summer too, but i think only a fool would put 100% effort in a game that is as pointless as this one is for flintoff.



and anyone who thinks that the english players care one heap about whether they win or not is seriously kidding themselves.
and no one has ever suggested that australia is on the decline in ODI cricket.

Or just maybe he's not performing because:

a. he didnt played any cricket for a month before the tour;

b. he spent a fair proportion of that month on the drink; and

c. the Aussies have actually done some work in the mean-time.

I must say that I find it fairly typical that when Aus supporters raised similar objections to the scheduling before the Ashes tour, we were howled down by all and sundry. Now, when the boot is on the other foot, every excuse under the sun is being trotted out and were expected to accept them as a fact of life.

The fact is that the World X1 would be accutely embarrassed to be dispatched in the way they have been to date.

They are trying but have not been good enough so far.

Is it the end of the world if they continue to lose? Of course not.

Will it be a feather in the cap of the Aussies if they can beat the best that the rest of the world can offer? You better believe it.

And if Flintoff, as you claim, is not putting in 100% but expects to be able to magically regain form in Pakistan, then Eng could be in real trouble over there.

 

[Craig]

they have no choice?
they copped a fair bit of criticism for not picking players like inzamam, chanderpaul,sangakkara and co despite the fact that those 3 actually deserve places in the squad. if they couldnt handle the criticism for not picking lara and sehwag despite the fact that they've both been very ordinary in ODIs for god knows how long,then why the hell are they selectors?

I don't know and I will leave it there.

 

[jlo33692]

Word just through and i dont know if this has already been mentioned,OUT goes Shoib Ahktar And Peiterson and in comes Afriddi and Ntini??? HMMMM i think peitersons was forced due to his hamstring,but he had a good win along with Lara at the races yesterday hahahaah no sore leg there when collecting ,huh hahaha race 1 melbourne,paid 48 big ones,only a Mr Lara would follow his tip the rest laughed,i guess he is laughing now hahaha

 

[jlo33692]

Or just maybe he's not performing because:

a. he didnt played any cricket for a month before the tour;

b. he spent a fair proportion of that month on the drink; and

c. the Aussies have actually done some work in the mean-time.

I must say that I find it fairly typical that when Aus supporters raised similar objections to the scheduling before the Ashes tour, we were howled down by all and sundry. Now, when the boot is on the other foot, every excuse under the sun is being trotted out and were expected to accept them as a fact of life.

The fact is that the World X1 would be accutely embarrassed to be dispatched in the way they have been to date.

They are trying but have not been good enough so far.

Is it the end of the world if they continue to lose? Of course not.

Will it be a feather in the cap of the Aussies if they can beat the best that the rest of the world can offer? You better believe it.

And if Flintoff, as you claim, is not putting in 100% but expects to be able to magically regain form in Pakistan, then Eng could be in real trouble over there.

Top post Social.As i said yesterday it appears thet ppl are more concerned in bagging the ROW than giving credit to an Australian ODI team that is just a fantastic side. You are right about all and sundry saying Oz were whinging about warm up games and looking for excuses but now the shoe is on the other foot well YOU SAID IT hahaha Sometimes you just cant win m8 can you ? I dont think it would have mattered who the ROW trotted out ,the way Oz has played they would have won,you can change the batsman a bit but apart from bond the bowling is just about at its best for 1 dayers and we scored the runs that put the pressure on and does not matter who is chasing that score against this brilliant fielding side (apart from catching) it would be hard to beat them. Anyway ppl saying that this bloke and that bloke being in does not mean that the ROW would win,it is only hyperthetical as they are not in because the selectors didnt think they warented selection. Nothoing to say if others were picked they wouldnt have performed worse??? Well done Aussies,Well done Ponting,Great answer to the call that they are washed up. Backs to the wall stuff in emphatic style ,clap,clap,clap hahaha

 

[Blaze]

Or just maybe he's not performing because:

a. he didnt played any cricket for a month before the tour;

b. he spent a fair proportion of that month on the drink; and

c. the Aussies have actually done some work in the mean-time.

I must say that I find it fairly typical that when Aus supporters raised similar objections to the scheduling before the Ashes tour, we were howled down by all and sundry. Now, when the boot is on the other foot, every excuse under the sun is being trotted out and were expected to accept them as a fact of life.

The fact is that the World X1 would be accutely embarrassed to be dispatched in the way they have been to date.

They are trying but have not been good enough so far.

Is it the end of the world if they continue to lose? Of course not.

Will it be a feather in the cap of the Aussies if they can beat the best that the rest of the world can offer? You better believe it.

And if Flintoff, as you claim, is not putting in 100% but expects to be able to magically regain form in Pakistan, then Eng could be in real trouble over there.

They aren't a unit. Where are they supposed to get motivation from? They aren't playing for their country. I am sure they are all trying, but I bet half of them don't actually care if they lose. Australia have done bloody well to contain these guys and beat them but they have one up on them, they are playing for their country and are playing with passion etc. The world XI are playing for themselves.

Personally I don't think that this series should continue after this year. Dumb concept IMO.

 

[jlo33692]

im referring to one form of the game only. there are obviously some like bevan who were prolific in almost every position, but the vast majority of players are significantly worse off. and even bevan was handicapped by being forced to bat at 6, thanks to the sheer idiocy of the australian selectors and management, which of course isnt anything new.

Sorry ,my appologies i thought you were refering to ODI to tests as well

 

[Nate]

seriously all you need to do is ask.
i'll pick the 11 first, because i think the super sub rule is the biggest piece of crap rule ive ever seen..

Chris Gayle
Kumar Sangakkara
Rahul Dravid
Ramnaresh Sarwan/Jacques Kallis
Andrew Flintoff
Kevin Pietersen
Abdul Razzaq
Shaun Pollock
Daniel Vettori
Muttiah Muralitharan
Shoaib Akhtar/Makhaya Ntini

Sanath Jayasuriya, Jacques Kallis/Ramnaresh Sarwan, Shahid Afridi,Shoaib Akhtar/Makhaya Ntini.

as far as im concerned, that there includes the best possible players per batting position, with the few compromises- having to have sangakkara opening instead of jayasuriya, despite the latter being the better player. and i also have a replacement for each category in the side.



oh commercial interests, because obviously that is the point of this entire game
AFAIC if this is supposed to be the best ODI side in the world outside of australia then it should be exactly that, otherwise it should just be called 'commercial XI' because that is apparently what they are at the moment.

No Lara?!