***Official*** Super Series

[marc71178]

why do you think it is a stuff up?

Because Kumble is far far far better than Vettori it should be a no-contest?

 

[shaka]

Why are you so confident that there is a huge gulf between the two bowlers? taking into account the expected number of wickets by a right arm spinner is higher than a left arm spinner. Also bearing in mind we are only talking about the last year?

 

[Deja moo]

Why are you so confident that there is a huge gulf between the two bowlers? taking into account the expected number of wickets by a right arm spinner is higher than a left arm spinner. Also bearing in mind we are only talking about the last year?

geez. You openly admit that a right arm spinner takes more wickets than a lerft arm one, and then go for the left arm one ? What school of thought suggests picking the less effective one ?

And yes, we are all talking about the last year. Kumbles blows Vettori away.

 

[shaka]

these are their respective stats for the past year, Kumble has not played in the current season.:

Vettori figures in 2004/2005 season:
filtered 7 323 65 40.37 0 2 38 6/28 25.31 5 2 0

Kumble figures in 2004/2005 Season:
filtered 11 222 37* 22.20 0 0 64 7/48 28.34 5 3 0

 

[Deja moo]

these are their respective stats for the past year, Kumble has not played in the current season.:

Vettori figures in 2004/2005 season:
filtered 7 323 65 40.37 0 2 38 6/28 25.31 5 2 0

Kumble figures in 2004/2005 Season:
filtered 11 222 37* 22.20 0 0 64 7/48 28.34 5 3 0

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And the award for most selective posting of stats ever goes to...

Vettori's bowling is 2 games vs Bangladesh - 20 wickets @ 11.20, 5 games vs Australia 18 wickets @ 41.00.

Kumble's is 2 vs Bangladesh - 10 @ 14.40, 3 vs Pakistan - 17 @ 37.88, 2 vs SA - 10 @ 34.10 and MOST IMPORTANTLY 4 games vs Australia - 27 @ 25.37.
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[shaka]

Both Zimbabwe and Bangladesh are test playing nations, enough said about that. Bowlers cannot take it easy against "weaker" teams. That attempt at a comeback is no excuse.

 

[Deja moo]

I see. So an average of 41 vs Australia against Kumbles 25 has no bearing on anything. Bangladesh and Zimbabwe is where its at.

 

[shaka]

I see this argument will never end. They picked the 11 that they thought would be performing the best against Australia, why cant it be left at that.

 

[marc71178]

Why are you so confident that there is a huge gulf between the two bowlers? taking into account the expected number of wickets by a right arm spinner is higher than a left arm spinner. Also bearing in mind we are only talking about the last year?

Because Vettori's record is very poor, and Kumble's is rather better?

 

[marc71178]

Both Zimbabwe and Bangladesh are test playing nations, enough said about that. Bowlers cannot take it easy against "weaker" teams. That attempt at a comeback is no excuse.

Well look at the figures against Australia then.

Just because he's a kiwi doesn't mean you have to defend the undefendable.

 

[Deja moo]

I see this argument will never end. They picked the 11 that they thought would be performing the best against Australia, why cant it be left at that.

And they have clearly demonstrated that wasnt the critereon thay followed, havent they ?

 

[Jono]

What's also interesting is the World XI don't have a wrist spinner (granted, Kumble isn't the biggest turner in the game), but instead two finger spinners (again, granted Murali isn't your typical finger spinner, if one at all). My point is though, that it seemed logical that along with Kumble's supreme test form in the past 2 years, including brilliant performances against Austrlaia, incentive should have also been there to have some variability from both ends when it came to spin, with a leg spinner and off spinner.

 

[Dasa]

^Well, Vettori bowls the same stock delivery as a leg-spinner - going away from the right-handers. He's just not that good.

 

[shaka]

For the past year, Vettori's average is better than Kumble's end of story.

 

[aussie]

what is Vettori's & Kumble's respective test records againts Australia???

 

[marc71178]

For the past year, Vettori's average is better than Kumble's end of story.

Stupid selective argument that means absolutely bugger all.

 

[shaka]

They took the previous years record, right?

 

[marc71178]

Not solely no.

And even if they had have done, they'd have considered who the performances were against - I mean Ian Bell was averaging nearly 300 at one point, but it would've been stupid to put him in the side.

Likewise, Vettori over Kumble is farcical.

 

[greg]

The basis for this team selection is falling apart rapidly by the day.

 

[magsi23]

They took the previous years record, right?

I think they only took previous years records, may be 2-3 years back not last 12 months, on the last 12 months records half of the players wouldnt even make it