Official **State Of Origin Thread**

[Mister Wright]

i didn't think it was that great a game, QLD definatley deserved to win, Kimmorley was truely awful, he didn't get one good kick away all night. though Lockyer deciding to take the place kick and missing was almost as funny.

Of course you don't think it is a great game - NSW lost. Gee...even when Qld lost the first game of 2003 I still thought it was a great game.

 

[Mister Wright]

What a match! Truely amazing to be there. I swear the first 30 minutes of the second half seemed like it took about 3 years, then the last 10 minutes flew (no coincidence that that was when NSW were in front).

Last night the crowd was so vocal, it is the most fired up I have ever seen a Qld crowd. Great passion.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Of course you don't think it is a great game - NSW lost. Gee...even when Qld lost the first game of 2003 I still thought it was a great game.

It turned into a great game, Qld deservedly won in the end I thought...they were better for most of the match. After the first half I was just happy when we scored a point! For it to be 20 all at full-time was beyond belief. I was watching at Griffith Uni, and the atmosphere in the second half was outstanding (nothing like being at the game obviously, but we did our best ).

 

[Simon]

Yet the benefit of the doubt to the attacking team didn't come in for the held up in goal. I'd suggest that the ref wasn't sure when he first went to the video ref, yet he then makes the call of 'no try' when it's referred back to him. Going to the video ref surely indicates 'doubt'. I am nearly definate I saw it hit at least one of Slater's fingers (seeing as though it only has to hit the tip) but I can't sit down with you and prove it.

ok theres 2 things to consider. the ball "may" have touched slaters hand, but theres no way to prove either way, so its benefit of the doubt.

the rooney no try was a refs call because the video ref cannot see the ball. the bodies prevent him getting a clear look, meaning his only option was refs call. generally when a ref calls for the video he will say "i have an opinion" and in this case it seems his opinion was no try. I guess with that one there was ENOUGH doubt to say he probably didnt get the ball down. If it was given a try i would have been disapointed, but it would have been fair enough. having said that i think they got it right on both occasions...

 

[age_master]

Of course you don't think it is a great game - NSW lost. Gee...even when Qld lost the first game of 2003 I still thought it was a great game.

a good game has little to do with the eventual winner, it was just not the most exciting match to watch.

 

[age_master]

ok theres 2 things to consider. the ball "may" have touched slaters hand, but theres no way to prove either way, so its benefit of the doubt.

the rooney no try was a refs call because the video ref cannot see the ball. the bodies prevent him getting a clear look, meaning his only option was refs call. generally when a ref calls for the video he will say "i have an opinion" and in this case it seems his opinion was no try. I guess with that one there was ENOUGH doubt to say he probably didnt get the ball down. If it was given a try i would have been disapointed, but it would have been fair enough. having said that i think they got it right on both occasions...

about the ref's only good call for the night that one

 

[Mister Wright]

a good game has little to do with the eventual winner, it was just not the most exciting match to watch.

Ask the 57000+ people who were there if it was an exciting game or not. All throughout the game there was physical defence and short breaks, there was a bit of argy-bargy and the players were playing at such a high skill level. Although NSW might not have scored in the first half, they weren't without their chances, it was a credit to the Qld defence that NSW didn't score. It was 80 minutes of intense football.

In the end it came down to the NSW forwards not being able to get on top of the QLD forwards for long enough in the game. Lockyer had all the time in the world to do what he wanted with the football, there was little pressure on him, whereas Barrett & Kimmorley looked rushed every time they had the ball. It was only towards the end when the QLD forwards were tiring were they able to gain any momentum.

 

[Son Of Coco]

ok theres 2 things to consider. the ball "may" have touched slaters hand, but theres no way to prove either way, so its benefit of the doubt.

the rooney no try was a refs call because the video ref cannot see the ball. the bodies prevent him getting a clear look, meaning his only option was refs call. generally when a ref calls for the video he will say "i have an opinion" and in this case it seems his opinion was no try. I guess with that one there was ENOUGH doubt to say he probably didnt get the ball down. If it was given a try i would have been disapointed, but it would have been fair enough. having said that i think they got it right on both occasions...

But surely in the case on Rooney's no try you can say the ball 'may' have been held up, but there's no way to tell either way so you should award the try. I see what you're saying in that most of the evidence from the video suggests it's more than likely he was held up.

As for Slater, after watching the replays I don't think there were many people where I was watching who thought it was a try, both NSW and QLD supporters alike. When it was awarded everyone burst out laughing, possibly QLDers moreso than NSWelshman...then again, it's entirely possibly that none of us saw what we thought we saw.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Ask the 57000+ people who were there if it was an exciting game or not. All throughout the game there was physical defence and short breaks, there was a bit of argy-bargy and the players were playing at such a high skill level. Although NSW might not have scored in the first half, they weren't without their chances, it was a credit to the Qld defence that NSW didn't score. It was 80 minutes of intense football.

In the end it came down to the NSW forwards not being able to get on top of the QLD forwards for long enough in the game. Lockyer had all the time in the world to do what he wanted with the football, there was little pressure on him, whereas Barrett & Kimmorley looked rushed every time they had the ball. It was only towards the end when the QLD forwards were tiring were they able to gain any momentum.

I agree with you re: the forward clash. I think NSW were only in a scoring position on two occasions in the first half - both from the same play when they were down QLD's end a could have had a shot at goal, but opted to run. Just no go forward for them in the first half.

 

[Waughney]

King's inside pass to buderus, notice king passed it 23 metres out from the line and buders caught it on the 20, even with some doubt for the ball "floating" foward, thats still 3 metres!

i challenge anyone to PROVE that ball his Billy Slaters hand or arm. thats the exact reason benefit of the doubt to the attacking team rule was brought in...

If that was benefit of the doubt, then fine. But if that was a try, then King's (the one off the bomb in the first half) should've been awarded under benefit of the doubt too.

EDIT: Just read you post a couple of posts above, seems fair enough.

 

[Simon]

But surely in the case on Rooney's no try you can say the ball 'may' have been held up, but there's no way to tell either way so you should award the try. I see what you're saying in that most of the evidence from the video suggests it's more than likely he was held up.

As for Slater, after watching the replays I don't think there were many people where I was watching who thought it was a try, both NSW and QLD supporters alike. When it was awarded everyone burst out laughing, possibly QLDers moreso than NSWelshman...then again, it's entirely possibly that none of us saw what we thought we saw.

no, what im trying to say is that the video couldnt tell if he was held up or not because the camera angles were poor, menaing its up to the refs judgement from seeing it happen live.
with slaters u had a clear look at it, but it was just impossible to tell but not because of the cameras.

 

[howardj]

Last night was fantastic. I was lucky enough to go the game, and the last ten minutes was the most tension filled period that Ive ever experienced as a spectator in any sport. Then to watch the replay last night was good..... it also allowed me to 'sober up' for the trip home All in all, a great night to be a Queenslander! My standout performers were Price, Flannery and, of course, Lockyer. Just watching Lockyer glide around and his mannerisms etc, he's all class. May he and Thurston play many more games for Queensland!

 

[KennyD]

King's inside pass to buderus, notice king passed it 23 metres out from the line and buders caught it on the 20, even with some doubt for the ball "floating" foward, thats still 3 metres!

I know! That should have been called up!

 

[Son Of Coco]

no, what im trying to say is that the video couldnt tell if he was held up or not because the camera angles were poor, menaing its up to the refs judgement from seeing it happen live.
with slaters u had a clear look at it, but it was just impossible to tell but not because of the cameras.

You give me six of one, I'll give you half a dozen of the other.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Dilemma: Half back for NSW. Who would you go with? Kimmorley, Johns, Gower, Orford?

 

[Mister Wright]

Dilemma: Half back for NSW. Who would you go with? Kimmorley, Johns, Gower, Orford?

Sherwin is better than those four anyway. Both Kimmorley & Gower have been proven to be useless at Origin level, and Johns is too injury prone and well past his best and Orford only takes control of a game when his team is 30 points ahead. He hardly ever gets Melbourne out of hole.

 

[Blewy]

Sherwin is way out of form.. Kimmorley's game is not suited to origin, he plays to flat to the line and everyone knows origin is an inyour face type of game, Gower well didnt really impress, and Johns needs to be on the field before he plays origin...

My choice, Barrett to half, and Anasta to 5/8...

Barrett has played a few games at half for NSW and he has done really well...

 

[Mister Wright]

Sherwin is way out of form.. Kimmorley's game is not suited to origin, he plays to flat to the line and everyone knows origin is an inyour face type of game, Gower well didnt really impress, and Johns needs to be on the field before he plays origin...

My choice, Barrett to half, and Anasta to 5/8...

Barrett has played a few games at half for NSW and he has done really well...

Yes, Anasta needs to be there for them, he is origin material. Whether he plays 5/8, lock or on the bench. Certainly a pairing of Anasta and Barrett would put more fear into Qlders than Barrett & Kimmorley.

 

[chaminda_00]

What about Brett Finch he get really well in his orgin debut and his abilty to kick bombs will test Slater more then anyone. I think he game more suited to orgin then Kimmorley, Grower or Orford. If Johns still looks crap when he makes his debut then i would bring back Finch.

 

[Simon]

What about Brett Finch he get really well in his orgin debut and his abilty to kick bombs will test Slater more then anyone. I think he game more suited to orgin then Kimmorley, Grower or Orford. If Johns still looks crap when he makes his debut then i would bring back Finch.

buck tooth daddy's boy? lol no chance
finch is not worthy to play first grade, he never deserved to play for nsw and if the selectors have their heads crewed on, he never will again...