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** Official ** Sri Lanka in New Zealand tour

chaminda_00

chaminda_00

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FaaipDeOiad said:
On another note, chaminda_00: it was you who said Malinga was faster than Tait and could bowl in the 150s, right? Is there something wrong with him today? Because the fastest I've seen him bowl is low 140s, he seems at the most to be in Gillespie's pace rang. I've not seen Tait clocked, but he's around Steve Harmison pace at the least, with his average in the 140s and his quickest up in the 146-148 range. There's no way Malinga on the evidence I've seen of him (which is only the top end series in Australia and today, mind you) is anywhere near as quick.
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Well Malinga topped 148 in the top end and consistenly bowled 140 plus, pretty much same as Harmison. You also have to remember that he has hardly played any cricket in the last 6 months, 4 FC matches and one was in NZ, it got rained out. Also i don't think Tait get much past 145, but he has to be clocked to have a more accurate assumptions.

[EDIT]Tait reminds me of a early Brad Williams before injuries who used to bowl at 145, when he got clocked (but that was only in one game). Also from what i've seen of Bird and Johnson i think their both faster (well Johnson two seasons ago he looked a bit slower this season)
 
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chaminda_00

chaminda_00

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Get effort from Malinga but i think Hamish Marshall looks like the key. He battled well today. BTW why are the kiwis batting so slow, their scared to play shots or something.
 
FaaipDeOiad

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
Malinga is a hard bowler to predict. I think he's likely to be a hit or miss sort of player, because his action makes the ball so hard to pick up he's going to cause batsmen problems early in his spells and early in their time at the crease, and he bowls aggressively enough that he's going to be a menace on helpful wickets. I can also see him getting pounded by decent batsmen on flat wickets however, once they get set and are picking him up well, he just doesn't have enough variety and his control of line and length is not good enough to stop him from being belted.

His action gives him all sorts of advantages though, and if he remains injury free and develops as a bowler I can see him being very successful. Does anyone know if there has ever been any inquiries as to the legality of his action? He bowls almost roundarm, which is quite hard to do with any significant pace legally.
 
chaminda_00

chaminda_00

Hall of Fame Member
FaaipDeOiad said:
Malinga is a hard bowler to predict. I think he's likely to be a hit or miss sort of player, because his action makes the ball so hard to pick up he's going to cause batsmen problems early in his spells and early in their time at the crease, and he bowls aggressively enough that he's going to be a menace on helpful wickets. I can also see him getting pounded by decent batsmen on flat wickets however, once they get set and are picking him up well, he just doesn't have enough variety and his control of line and length is not good enough to stop him from being belted.

His action gives him all sorts of advantages though, and if he remains injury free and develops as a bowler I can see him being very successful. Does anyone know if there has ever been any inquiries as to the legality of his action? He bowls almost roundarm, which is quite hard to do with any significant pace legally.
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I think as he get more experience he will improve his control and variety, also all bowlers generally get smacked on flat wickets. There have been some questions about the legality of his action and consider Hair is umpiring i would not be surprised if he get pulled up. I don't think his action is perfect but there are fast bowlers with worse actions.
 
FaaipDeOiad

FaaipDeOiad

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chaminda_00 said:
There have been some questions about the legality of his action and consider Hair is umpiring i would not be surprised if he get pulled up.
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Hair can't pull him up any more, under the new rules only the match referee can do it.

Personally, I think the United States should select Roger Clemens in their next ODI match just to show up the stupidity behind the new rules, and we can watch the umpires unable to do anything until the match is completed.
 
chaminda_00

chaminda_00

Hall of Fame Member
FaaipDeOiad said:
Hair can't pull him up any more, under the new rules only the match referee can do it.

Personally, I think the United States should select Roger Clemens in their next ODI match just to show up the stupidity behind the new rules, and we can watch the umpires unable to do anything until the match is completed.
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Is he a baseball player???

Also i thought the umpires can still call them if they think they extend by 15 deg. Cus basics of the rule are the same as the old one, just the measurements have changed. ie if u see someone straighten their arm with ur naked eye, in theroy they must be straighten it by 15 deg.
 
FaaipDeOiad

FaaipDeOiad

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chaminda_00 said:
Is he a baseball player???

Also i thought the umpires can still call them if they think they extend by 15 deg. Cus basics of the rule are the same as the old one, just the measurements have changed. ie if u see someone straighten their arm with ur naked eye, in theroy they must be straighten it by 15 deg.
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The umpires can't possibly measure exactly how many degrees of flexion there is in a bowler's action, they can only make an educated estimation. No umpire can call a bowler for throwing until these rules are changed, they have to be reported by the match referee and then tested in lab conditions, rather than in match conditions where it actually matters whether or not they chuck.

And yes, Roger Clemens is a famous pitcher for the New York Yankees.
 
chaminda_00

chaminda_00

Hall of Fame Member
FaaipDeOiad said:
The umpires can't possibly measure exactly how many degrees of flexion there is in a bowler's action, they can only make an educated estimation. No umpire can call a bowler for throwing until these rules are changed, they have to be reported by the match referee and then tested in lab conditions, rather than in match conditions where it actually matters whether or not they chuck.

And yes, Roger Clemens is a famous pitcher for the New York Yankees.
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You don't have to judge how many degrees a bowler is flexing his arm, as techinally under these rules if u see a bowler straighten his arm during his action u can estimate that he extended by 15 degreess. 15 degrees is the minium flexion that can be noticed by an umpire with his eye, in real time. Techincally the rule hasn't changed just the measurements, if u see a bowler straighten his arm u can call them.
 
chaminda_00

chaminda_00

Hall of Fame Member
Blaze said:
NZ won that day clearly.. however the real test will be if they can take 20 Sri Lankan wickets
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Sri Lanka need another three wickets atleast, but their still 4 days left. What is the deal with the defence battling from New Zealand it was like watching Thilan bat all day, pretty boring stuff. Hamish and Astle showed some intent but that was about it. Someone needs to teach James and Cumming some more shots (just joking they weren't that bad).

It was nice to see Atapattu share the bowling around but i think he needs to give Vaas more overs. But i guess faith in the youngster is a good sign for the future. It hope Sri Lanka can get some quick wickets tommorow (one in particular Hamish) and get Kiwi out for under a 350, but more realistically 400.
 
Blaze

Blaze

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chaminda_00 said:
Sri Lanka need another three wickets atleast, but their still 4 days left. What is the deal with the defence battling from New Zealand it was like watching Thilan bat all day, pretty boring stuff. Hamish and Astle showed some intent but that was about it. Someone needs to teach James and Cumming some more shots (just joking they weren't that bad).

It was nice to see Atapattu share the bowling around but i think he needs to give Vaas more overs. But i guess faith in the youngster is a good sign for the future. It hope Sri Lanka can get some quick wickets tommorow (one in particular Hamish) and get Kiwi out for under a 350, but more realistically 400.
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I guess they are just trying to set a base.. they will play more attackingly tomorrow I guess.

Sri Lanka could be in big trouble if Astle gets going with Vincent and McCullum still to come and Marshall still in.

NZ will be aiming for 550 I would say but quick wickets from Sri Lanka could see that target change to around 400
 
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psxpro

Banned
We did score over 3 an over in the end though but you are right our openers need to attack more.
But Hamish is just Brilliant, Wish I could have watched all of it.
133 not out.
I hope he keeps going on tommorow for a huge score.
It looks like he played aggreesively too with a atrike rate of over 63.
Good news is that I can watch more play tommrow than I did today, more than half thanks to morning uni!

Good day for NZ, the key is to keep going though.
 
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Isolator

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Malinga is an odd sort... according to the speed gun he was bowling at around 140 kmph, but he looked much faster. If I didn't know the actual speed I'd have said he was close to 150 kmph. There's no doubt he's hurrying the batsman more than another bowler of the same pace would. Funny how the umpires had to remove their ties because of where he releases the ball from...
 
marc71178

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
chaminda_00 said:
I guess that shows the merits of having five bowlers, Chandana the 5th bowler gets a wicket.
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Got to counter-balance it with a weak looking batting line up from 7 downwards though!
 
Prince EWS

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
marc71178 said:
Got to counter-balance it with a weak looking batting line up from 7 downwards though!
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Chandana and Vass are both good enough to bat 7 - or at least be better than average number 8s.
 
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