***Official*** South Africa v West Indies

[Langeveldt]

Here is one for you guys..

The West Indies took two (possibly three) wickets with no-balls.. De Villiers bowled and caught behind and Smith caught..

Now, had King been behind the line, would De Villiers and Smith have still got out? I don't think they would have, therefore the problem isn't as bad as it seemed at the time.. Test Cricket is a game of fractionths of a second and tiny distances, Something would have changed like the trajectory and pitch of the ball, and the shots that DeVilliers and Smith played.. Having spoken to Neil about it, he seems to be of the opinion that this is without doubt the case..

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Now, had King been behind the line, would De Villiers and Smith have still got out? I don't think they would have, therefore the problem isn't as bad as it seemed at the time.. Test Cricket is a game of fractionths of a second and tiny distances, Something would have changed like the trajectory and pitch of the ball, and the shots that DeVilliers and Smith played..

The de Villiers dismisal was because the ball kept lower than he expected, so I doubt he would have escaped dismissal had it not been a noball. There's more of an argument for Smith though, as that ball seemed to loop on him a bit more than he expected.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Browne, a stop-gap replacement for Jacobs anyway, should be replaced by Ramdin, assuming the latter is regarded as an ok 'keeper - a tag which certainly can't be applied to Courtney on the evidence of this series.

Ramdin is a superb wicket-keeper and a very talented batsman. I don't think he's quite ready batting-wise for Test cricket, but he's certainly there with the gloves. If pressed I'd take Ramdin ahead of Baugh for the plain reason that whoever plays will bat at 8, or 7 at best. That shows that there are at least 6 players ahead of you who are expected to provide the bulk of the scoring. As such, a wicketkeeper batting down there should be a solid gloveman as first consideration.

I dare say, had Browne been contributing with the gloves recently, I'd have no problems with his clear lack of technique and batting prowess as long as we kept the formation that allows him to bat no higher than 8.

It's harsh and a bit knee-jerk, but if Fidel's fit and ready I'd drop Powell for the next test .

IMO Powell is a better bowler at the moment. He came back well in the second innings in Trinidad and, in general, I'd say he's more accurate. Daren Powell had a bad Test match, granted, but he has shown that he can bowl with pace and accuracy. At times when he failed to produce the great pace in the first Test, he maintained his accuracy. That's not something Fidel Edwards can boast of. Edwards at his best can be devastating, but I'm not sure how close to his best he can be given his short match practice and general inconsistency.

 

[Neil Pickup]

The de Villiers dismisal was because the ball kept lower than he expected, so I doubt he would have escaped dismissal had it not been a noball. There's more of an argument for Smith though, as that ball seemed to loop on him a bit more than he expected.

Surely it was a shooter because of where it pitched - bowling from a different position on the crease means the run up will have been different, the whole action different, the trajectory and everything following separate.

Wickets off no-balls are like goals disallowed for handball or offside - not wickets and not goals!

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Surely it was a shooter because of where it pitched - bowling from a different position on the crease means the run up will have been different, the whole action different, the trajectory and everything following separate.

Wickets off no-balls are like goals disallowed for handball or offside - not wickets and not goals!

On that pitch it was always a possibility that the ball could shoot through.

To suggest that, had it not been a noball, the dismissals would not have occurred is as ludicrous as to suggest that they would have. There is no knowing what would have happened, thus both assumptions are wrong.

 

[Neil Pickup]

On that pitch it was always a possibility that the ball could shoot through.

To suggest that, had it not been a noball, the dismissals would not have occurred is as ludicrous as to suggest that they would have. There is no knowing what would have happened, thus both assumptions are wrong.

i.e. not worth bothering about.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

i.e. not worth bothering about.

Ja.

 

[roseboy64]

I'd still take Baugh over Browne. In his last Test against England, he didn't do too badly. His keeping is not bad. It's pretty good. Ramdin may be better with the gloves but not by a whole lot. Baugh is however certainly better with the bat. I still would like to see either Samuels or Deonarine in there for Pagon or play another bowler.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I'd still take Baugh over Browne. In his last Test against England, he didn't do too badly. His keeping is not bad. It's pretty good. Ramdin may be better with the gloves but not by a whole lot. Baugh is however certainly better with the bat. I still would like to see either Samuels or Deonarine in there for Pagon or play another bowler.

Baugh's 'keeping is not quite pretty good. It's ok.
Ramdin is a LOT better than Baugh! Have you seen the young man 'keep at all?! He's so natural behind the stumps and was near flawless at times during the season.

Baugh has more flair with the bat than Ramdin, but Ramdin has a lower percentage of stupid shots.

Baugh is better than Browne due to his batting alone. He's on par as a 'keeper.

 

[garage flower]

I'd still take Baugh over Browne. In his last Test against England, he didn't do too badly. His keeping is not bad. It's pretty good. Ramdin may be better with the gloves but not by a whole lot. Baugh is however certainly better with the bat. I still would like to see either Samuels or Deonarine in there for Pagon or play another bowler.

As Mr M mentions earlier, the primary concern when the 'keeper may be batting down at 8 is to get the best glovesman in there. If that's Ramdin, he should play. Anyway, though Baugh appears to be much the better batsman based on domestic performances, he's looked all at sea in his sporadic international appearances

I'm sure Pagon will be dropped. I'd go for Hinds, Samuels or Deonarine in order of preference.

 

[Nate]

As Mr M mentions earlier, the primary concern when the 'keeper may be batting down at 8 is to get the best glovesman in there. If that's Ramdin, he should play.

Damn straight! Good luck to the young fellah, he sounds like a champ.

If my sources (Cricinfo ) are correct, then Hinds, Best and Edwards should be fit for the next Test.

Gayle
W Hinds
Sarwan
Lara
Chanderpaul
R Hinds
Bravo
Ramdin
Powell/King
Best
Collins

I`d have to go for Powell over King... maybe. Very close! King seems a little out-of-sorts.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I`d have to go for Powell over King... maybe. Very close! King seems a little out-of-sorts.

King was the most consistent bowler in the second Test.
Very solid. King gets the clear nod for mine.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Anyway, though Baugh appears to be much the better batsman based on domestic performances, he's looked all at sea in his sporadic international appearances

As things stand, Baugh is a better domestic batsman by a fair way, but he is also more established. Ramdin has good technique and a good head on his shoulders. He scored buckets of runs at youth level and started to come through nicely in the second half of the recently concluded season.

A solid average of 33.71 overall with his maiden ton and first two half-centuries.

 

[Don]

as i have been saying since jacobs injury ramdhin should be our keeper baugh is just not as good with the gloves and well brownes bones are starting to creak

 

[Nate]

King was the most consistent bowler in the second Test.
Very solid. King gets the clear nod for mine.

Ahhhhhh whatever. I wouldn`t be suprised either way.

 

[Langeveldt]

Rudolph in doubt for the next test, which leaves SA with some Issues.. Straight swap for Polly? Doubt it..

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Rudolph in doubt for the next test, which leaves SA with some Issues.. Straight swap for Polly? Doubt it..

With Dippenaar on 59 not out at lunch against the Vice Chancellor's XI, I'd suggest he'd come in for Rudolph and Zondeki out for Pollock.

 

[aussie]

whats the score in the game againts VC XI ,liam?

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

whats the score in the game againts VC XI ,liam?

At lunch today (2nd day of the two-day game):

South Africans 395/6 dec.
HH Dippenaar 184
HH Gibbs 84
MW Boucher 63
D Mohammed 5/115
TL Best 1/39

Vice Chancellor's XI 78/2
Shikhan Dhawan 33 not out
Ryan Ramdass 29
Marlon Samuels 10 not out

 

[aussie]

At lunch today (2nd day of the two-day game):

South Africans 395/6 dec.
HH Dippenaar 184
HH Gibbs 84
MW Boucher 63
D Mohammed 5/115
TL Best 1/39

Vice Chancellor's XI 78/2
Shikhan Dhawan 33 not out
Ryan Ramdass 29
Marlon Samuels 10 not out

k, have u been to the games how does best & edwards look and that indian bloke dhawan who i reckon one day will be opening the batting with sehwag