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***Official*** South Africa v West Indies
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Mr Mxyzptlk
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Assessment...
CH Gayle - decent delivery.
WW Hinds - unfortunate umpiring.
RR Sarwan - brilliant!
BC Lara - terrible... worthless shot.
S Chanderpaul - unfortunate umpiring.
DJ Pagon - poor front foot technique early in his innings.
DJJ Bravo - terrible... worthless shot.
CO Browne - terrible... stupid play.
DB Powell - decent delivery... superb catch.
PT Collins/RD King - did we really expect much?
Overall I'd say it was a disappointing batting performance purely because of the mode of dismissal of Lara and Bravo. Rubbish is an understatement.
The umpiring decisions certainly did not help on a pitch like this, but that's cricket. Not to take anything away from Ntini though : 47.5-10-132-13.
CH Gayle - decent delivery.
WW Hinds - unfortunate umpiring.
RR Sarwan - brilliant!
BC Lara - terrible... worthless shot.
S Chanderpaul - unfortunate umpiring.
DJ Pagon - poor front foot technique early in his innings.
DJJ Bravo - terrible... worthless shot.
CO Browne - terrible... stupid play.
DB Powell - decent delivery... superb catch.
PT Collins/RD King - did we really expect much?
Overall I'd say it was a disappointing batting performance purely because of the mode of dismissal of Lara and Bravo. Rubbish is an understatement.
The umpiring decisions certainly did not help on a pitch like this, but that's cricket. Not to take anything away from Ntini though : 47.5-10-132-13.
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First innings...wpdavid said:
WW Hinds - decent delivery... not the best shot.
CH Gayle - terrible... worthless shot.
RR Sarwan - terrible... worthless shot.
BC Lara - brilliant!
S Chanderpaul - terrible... clueless shot.
DJ Pagon - poor front foot technique early in his innings.
DJJ Bravo - poor foot movement.
CO Browne - decent delivery... not the best shot.
DB Powell - decent delivery... should've been forward.
PT Collins/RD King - did we really expect much?
Mr Mxyzptlk
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Powell doing South Africa proud.
wpdavid
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Yup. For all our discussion of the WI batting, the bowling has been really ordinary too.Mr Mxyzptlk said:
Actually, perhaps you can help me out. 12 months ago, a lot of people reckoned that WI had the makings of a decent attack if Edwards, Best, Lawson & Rampaul stayed fit and worked at their games. What's the state of play with those guys?
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Browne drops another. Brilliant...
The West Indies bowlers have not been that bad actually. Aside from Powell, they've been on target and pretty persistent. Not overly penetrative, but it's been a step up from some of the performances recently.
Edwards was injured but is fit now. Short of match practice though.
Best is just coming back from injury and needs more match practice.
Lawson is still injured.
Rampaul... LOL. He's far from Test class, but does have potential to get there. He's injured anyway.
The West Indies bowlers have not been that bad actually. Aside from Powell, they've been on target and pretty persistent. Not overly penetrative, but it's been a step up from some of the performances recently.
Edwards was injured but is fit now. Short of match practice though.
Best is just coming back from injury and needs more match practice.
Lawson is still injured.
Rampaul... LOL. He's far from Test class, but does have potential to get there. He's injured anyway.
Langeveldt
Soutie
What a difference a day makes, I wish I could congratulate Mr Ntini on here in Xhosa, but thats probably the best spell of bowling I have seen by a South African who's name isn't Donald.. I hope thats a big enough compliment..
Got the rubbish West Indies back again after a good few days from them, but my has this morning been clinical from SA.. Bottle this boys
Got the rubbish West Indies back again after a good few days from them, but my has this morning been clinical from SA.. Bottle this boys
Langeveldt
Soutie
Hes naturally an attacking player, good off the back foot, cutting on the off side.. Maybe he knows the WI will be a bit pumped and he's trying to get them deflated quickly, like a kind of pinch hitting roll.. Seems to be working a treat, thanks to mr.KingLink said:
Langeveldt
Soutie
They said Makkie was over ratedjot1 said:Makkie, Makkie, Makkie, you're the man. Good job Saffies! And they all said we can only do that against sides like Zim.
(Im trying to think of a song lyric thats similar too.. One of the most satisfying wins in a long time)
roseboy64
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Actually Lawson's not injured. He was training with the Jamaica team sometime around when Chris Gayle went back into the team. Some authorities decided to rest him and let him play some club cricket first. He's supposed to be playing that now but I haven't really checked if he is or not. We do the best for our players. Taylor's the exception. Lambert's an example following his poor run of form after the captaincy was taken from him.
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Lambert needs to get in shape. Good batsman though.
Buddhmaster
International Captain
I reckon Ntini might climb up the bowlers rankings a bit.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
I have seen Lara play that back cut to pitched up balls with good success before. I suppose he should have expected that the ball would shoot through on this track, though..... But I think it is clear why Shep is retiring after this series... That decision to Browne and Chanders were obviously not out. I yelled out outside off and outside leg to my cousins as we were watching the match after I watched it LIVE.
garage flower
State Vice-Captain
Don't have much time for posting at the moment, but a few thoughts with a view to the 3rd test in Barbados:
Most of the attention in this series has been on the West Indies batting. Initially this was due to the absence of 3 key batsmen and the way in which the huge handicap their omission represented was spectacularly overcome at Bourda.
Now, with the batting back to normal - i.e. Lara, Gayle and Sarwan in the side and the characteristic inconsistency alive and well - the focus needs to return to the bowling and fielding, which remain by far the biggest areas of concern.
I think the ground fielding is steadily improving, with more balls taken cleanly and fewer "taxi" moments, but the catching is still dreadful. Stone-hands Browne is the biggest culprit, but the lumbering Pagon and Sarwan (who, to be fair, has been fielding out of position - another bewildering aspect of the overall problem) have been similarly culpable.
Browne, a stop-gap replacement for Jacobs anyway, should be replaced by Ramdin, assuming the latter is regarded as an ok 'keeper - a tag which certainly can't be applied to Courtney on the evidence of this series. Browne's limited skills with the willow won't really be missed even if the youngster's batting isn't yet ready for test cricket.
The bowling attack, simply, still isn't good enough to take 20 wickets against solid teams on decent wickets.
I'd describe the no-ball antics of Pedro and Reon as unacceptable if it weren't for the realisation that West Indies probably will have to accept them given the dearth of alternatives. Powell's contribution has been a massive anti-climax following his opening salvo at Guyana. It's harsh and a bit knee-jerk, but if Fidel's fit and ready I'd drop Powell for the next test . Bravo remains a beacon of hope in hopeless times and, against what appears to be the popular grain (judging by Walsh and Holding's comments yesterday), I'd continue to play him as a bowling all-rounder to supplement 3 specialist seamers, rather than as a no. 6 in a 6-1-4 "formation". I'm not sure there's one better bowler than him in the Caribbean, let alone four.
My team for the 3rd test:
Gayle
W Hinds
Sarwan
Lara
Chanderpaul
R Hinds (Samuels, if not fit)
Bravo
Ramdin
Edwards
Collins
King
Most of the attention in this series has been on the West Indies batting. Initially this was due to the absence of 3 key batsmen and the way in which the huge handicap their omission represented was spectacularly overcome at Bourda.
Now, with the batting back to normal - i.e. Lara, Gayle and Sarwan in the side and the characteristic inconsistency alive and well - the focus needs to return to the bowling and fielding, which remain by far the biggest areas of concern.
I think the ground fielding is steadily improving, with more balls taken cleanly and fewer "taxi" moments, but the catching is still dreadful. Stone-hands Browne is the biggest culprit, but the lumbering Pagon and Sarwan (who, to be fair, has been fielding out of position - another bewildering aspect of the overall problem) have been similarly culpable.
Browne, a stop-gap replacement for Jacobs anyway, should be replaced by Ramdin, assuming the latter is regarded as an ok 'keeper - a tag which certainly can't be applied to Courtney on the evidence of this series. Browne's limited skills with the willow won't really be missed even if the youngster's batting isn't yet ready for test cricket.
The bowling attack, simply, still isn't good enough to take 20 wickets against solid teams on decent wickets.
I'd describe the no-ball antics of Pedro and Reon as unacceptable if it weren't for the realisation that West Indies probably will have to accept them given the dearth of alternatives. Powell's contribution has been a massive anti-climax following his opening salvo at Guyana. It's harsh and a bit knee-jerk, but if Fidel's fit and ready I'd drop Powell for the next test . Bravo remains a beacon of hope in hopeless times and, against what appears to be the popular grain (judging by Walsh and Holding's comments yesterday), I'd continue to play him as a bowling all-rounder to supplement 3 specialist seamers, rather than as a no. 6 in a 6-1-4 "formation". I'm not sure there's one better bowler than him in the Caribbean, let alone four.
My team for the 3rd test:
Gayle
W Hinds
Sarwan
Lara
Chanderpaul
R Hinds (Samuels, if not fit)
Bravo
Ramdin
Edwards
Collins
King
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