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*Official* South Africa in New Zealand

Tim

Cricketer Of The Year
It happens to every team though...not just NZ.

You watch Australia, when they bowl out a team for 180 odd they always lose 2 or 3 wickets trying to bat positively...it's not always going to be a cakewalk, I know NZ have made a few stuff ups but then again this is South Africa we're playing.
 

Tim

Cricketer Of The Year
bizarre...Pollock just bowled Styris, but Styris believed he wasn't looking up & pulled away at the very very last second.

That's one of the hardest calls I think an umpire could make.
 

MoxPearl

State Vice-Captain
First post here :D

But yea

The facts are..

-New Zealand have turned into a very very good team.
-New Zealand just won that game by 5 wickets.. even if it was dodgy.(But the problems we have every single team in the world has them)
-New Zealand just thrashed the "second best" (According to the rankings) 5-1 in a series vs a team they have never ever beaten in a series.

It was a enjoyable summer of cricket and lots of entertaining cricket came out of it :)
 

Tim

Cricketer Of The Year
NZ have named their test side:

Papps, Mason, McCullum AND Chris Martin have made the cut.
 

Tim

Cricketer Of The Year
Richardson
Fleming
Papps
McMillan
Wiseman
Vettori
C.Martin
Tuffey
Styris
Cairns
Oram
McCullum
Mason
 

Isolator

State 12th Man
Tim said:
bizarre...Pollock just bowled Styris, but Styris believed he wasn't looking up & pulled away at the very very last second.

That's one of the hardest calls I think an umpire could make.
Hardest call my ass - the umpire isn't supposed to let the bowler bowl until the batsman's ready, and Styris clearly was not. He was looking down almost until Pollock had released the ball. Tony Hill's blundered a few times this series.
 
People keep making a point of how New Zealand start so brilliantly, cripple teams and then fall away (myself included).

I don't think this is a weakness in the Kiwis. I think it's the result of captaincy from Stephen Fleming that nobody else uses. Fleming senses an opportunity or a chance to cripple and that's what he goes for. Other captains see that early wickets mean an earlier introduction of the 5th bowler. What this means is that when a team is 6/40, 6/80 or whatever, his best bowlers have been used. Ricky Ponting mentioned this because of the WC match when Australia were crippled at 6/80 but still managed 208. Fleming had crippled Australia but had failed to deliver the knockout punch.

As I said, it's just part of his tactics that do this. Personally, I don't think it's that bad. It's not like the NZ bowlers are especially good, but the way Fleming uses them is. I'd rather have a team 6/40 or 6/80 with my best bowlers used then save them for the final 10 overs to prevent an all out assault. This is for a number of reasons:
1) The chances are the opposition won't score highly anyway (highly unlikely they'll score enough to win)
2) If your top bowlers take 6/40 in their allotted overs they've done well. Using them sporadically or in a conventional manner would probably still not get this result.
3) Even if the opposition do recover they'll be unable to attack until very late in the innings, solely for the fact that they need to bat out the 50 overs. This allows plenty of time for more breakthroughs, more planning and less damage from a batting frenzy in 'happy hour'.

Go Flemmo, you got the ideas, man.
 

Craig

World Traveller
I would have to agree with you there, you cant blame Fleming for bowling Bond out when he took 6/23 v Australia at the WC, as everybody else in his position would of done the same.
 

Isolator

State 12th Man
That's not the point. The problem is that they fall apart completely. They were caught unawares, the complacency was visible. There were missed opportunities, dropped catches, frustration... if those are deliberate tatics, they're bloody strange.
Remember Jacob Oram clutching his head while Lee was smacking him for sixes in that WC game? That's symbolic of what happens to them.
 

Tim

Cricketer Of The Year
But the point is, NZ are not the only team to lax off in a dead rubber match.
 

Mr Mxyzptlk

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It doesn't really matter if they're the only team who does it or not, the fact is that they do it.

(Not actually targetted at NZ, but at that mentality.)
 

thierry henry

International Coach
The fact that it was a dead rubber is entirely irrelevant, we are talking about a problem that has effected NZ for several years in even the most important matches.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Tim said:
But the point is, NZ are not the only team to lax off in a dead rubber match.
But the point is about them taking the foot off the gas after a good start in matches.

Reducing SA in the manner they did is certainly not relaxing, it was what happened after (ie SA even making 50 overs)
 

MoxPearl

State Vice-Captain
the point is stephen fleeming takes risks.. he risked bowling out all the good bowlers in hoping he would take all the wickets.

The risk did not pay off but thats cricket for you
 

Tim

Cricketer Of The Year
I agree, but maybe the selectors feel McCullum will score more runs than Hart did...which I would agree with.

Cairns & Oram will need to contribute with the bat this series, no doubt about that or else NZ will struggle to win.
 

Tim

Cricketer Of The Year
Styris sure looked uncoordinated yesterday, but sometimes that happens...hopefully it doesn't affect to the point where he has a poor test series though.
 

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