I'm not arguing with his tactics. The point I made earlier stands.MoxPearl said:the point is stephen fleeming takes risks.. he risked bowling out all the good bowlers in hoping he would take all the wickets.
The risk did not pay off but thats cricket for you
You see, NZ were quite shellshocked yesterday. It was as if they expected the tail to get itself out. That's pretty ********, in my opinion.(myself) :
That's not the point. The problem is that they fall apart completely. They were caught unawares, the complacency was visible. There were missed opportunities, dropped catches, frustration... if those are deliberate tatics, they're bloody strange.
Remember Jacob Oram clutching his head while Lee was smacking him for sixes in that WC game? That's symbolic of what happens to them.
Haha, yeah. I happen to like the sight, thoughKent said:I'm sure a lot of overseas fans have been livid after seeing NZ 7 down with Vettori edging every second ball to gully. Then 4 hours later...
Kent said:
I'm still within fairly close proximity of Napier for the rest of this week to spot Minki and co., but I think I've seen enough to realise how spoilt guys like Langeveldt are (or were). Homer's 'Chesty Le Roux' fantasy wouldn't be out of place in the SA entourage, and I'm puzzled where the ref-tackling Pieter Van Zyl fits into the genetics.
true.thierry henry said:Kent, I think I agree with what you're saying there.
I personally get really riled when I see the media saying that "NZ cricket is on the way up again", or "this looks promising for the future/Next World Cup", or whatever. It seems to happen every time we win a series, and the reverse occurs when we lose.
Realistically, after a bad era in the first half of the 90s, we have been a competitive and relatively stable side for several years now. I'd say from about 1998/99 onwards we've been a competitive international side with minor ups and downs along the way. If anything, a lot of our good players of this era have either retired, or are close to retirement. If anything I would say we are close to the END of a good era, as opposed to the start of one (although I don't predict anything too drastic- we have some good youngsters coming through.) It frustrates me that media and the public have been too fickle to fully understand just what a good era the last 5 or so years has been.
5 years is alot mate. Not a very smart thing to say there.BlackCap_Fan said:Wow,Cairns,Astle and Fleming are all in there 30's.They will be gone in about 5 years,if we're lucky.Cairns will go soon,hes 33,coming on 34.
yeah,I put that a bit bluntly.Mingster said:5 years is alot mate. Not a very smart thing to say there.
The nucleus of the team over the next year or two will be built around Fleming, Styris, Cairns, Oram, Vettori, Tuffey and Bond.
However we need to find people to support them. That's where the new talents like Papps and Marshall come into the fore.
Styris is upto the same level of Cairns in terms of batting in ODIs. He has averaged 57 in his last 35 games. Not bad. And he has averaged 22 with the ball as well.BlackCap_Fan said:yeah,I put that a bit bluntly.
If styris is going to become like cairns(as a batsmen) he needs to work on shot selection alot.Like pulling short balls that are VERY wide outside off-stump without moving your feet.
I think oram will become one of the worlds best all-rounders,in time.I also think that I am the only one who thinks that.
Kent said:You see, that's the thing. We see such an inordinate number of beautiful South African women, plus the climate is so good, there must be so much inspiration to look your best. Hence the great sporting talent and the determined personalities perhaps. In hindsight someone like Percy Montgomery can be understood, regardless of his orientation.
But we get this stereotype with the beer guts and Springboks jerseys, with the braai and everything. I play golf with an ex-pat who hits it as far in metres as he must weigh in pounds.
A globe-trotting friend of mine says SA society is still so chauvinist and the women so, um, 'bubbly' they can get away with it, but as you said about natural selection I had serious doubts. I've always assumed things are visually pleasant for these guys and no more.
I'd like to know where you get those figure from, because they don't stack up with his Cricinfo ones.Mingster said:Styris is upto the same level of Cairns in terms of batting in ODIs. He has averaged 57 in his last 35 games. Not bad. And he has averaged 22 with the ball as well.