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***Official*** South Africa in New Zealand 2017

Zinzan

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KW edges just short of 2nd slip, lucky boy. Poor option with two slips in place..... and the sort of inside edge that he's often plays on the stumps next ball.
 

Immenso

International Vice-Captain
The sensible thing would be to drop/rotate Latham out so he can get a game in the one measly Plunket Shield round before the test series. And to have kept Blundell in the ODI squad instead of Ronchi.

Champions Trophy plans suggest we are doomed to soldier on through with an out of sorts Latham, meaning we achieve nothing in one format with the infection spreading now to 2 formats.

Raval playing for Auckland B today to get some red ball cricket ....... because NZC scheduling ability peaks at forming a line for 3 anoraks getting their camp chairs through a 1930s turnstile in an orderly fashion.
 
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Bahnz

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Ab hurt? Was he playing before this series? Looked a bit limited in the first ODI. Hope he's not trying to go too far too fast.
 

Zinzan

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ODI Latham is Test Guptill.
I wouldn't go that far considering he's averaged 37 @ 84 (31 @ 81 excluding Bang & Zim) in the last 2 years, which I've said before is perfectly acceptable when you have Guptill at the other end, but he's certainly way out of nick currently & a spell might be the best thing.
 

Zinzan

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Ab hurt? Was he playing before this series? Looked a bit limited in the first ODI. Hope he's not trying to go too far too fast.
The commentators were speculating he'd dislocated a shoulder... but from what I could see he was clutching at the side of his rib/upper abs.
 

Bahnz

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Seems to me that Brownlie is doing alright so far.

Just think taking the gloves is asking too much of Latham at this stage. Maybe in a couple years time when he's a bit more settled.
 

veganbob

U19 Captain
We are missing Guppy, showing why he is the best odi batsman we have ever had.

Latham and Brownlie look pretty dire. Brownlie is a pointless choice as odi opener. Should have gone for a more talented player /bigger hitter. He seems to have got a lot of opportunities in tests too when its obvious he is not ever going to be quality international batsman
 

Zinzan

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Seems to me that Brownlie is doing alright so far.
Brownlie's looked better than KW so far today truth be told. It's uncanny how easy he makes batting look against good pace attacks.

Classic horses for courses batsman.
 

Zinzan

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We are missing Guppy, showing why he is the best odi batsman we have ever had.

Latham and Brownlie look pretty dire. Brownlie is a pointless choice as odi opener.
Clearly we're missing Guptill, but your comments about Brownlie are bizarre, he's just raced to 25 off 30 and has looked excellent for his 2nd match in a row now.
 

Zinzan

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I agree with Simon Doull for once. For the rest of the series, Brownlie to replace Latham when Guppy returns, and a keeper replaces Neesham, who's bowling is a liability anyway.
 

SteveNZ

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We are missing Guppy, showing why he is the best odi batsman we have ever had.

Latham and Brownlie look pretty dire. Brownlie is a pointless choice as odi opener. Should have gone for a more talented player /bigger hitter. He seems to have got a lot of opportunities in tests too when its obvious he is not ever going to be quality international batsman
I dunno if anyone would agree with you on Brownlie. For a start, he looked every inch an international cricketer in his previous incarnation in scoring hundreds v a very good SA side and runs in tough conditions v Australia, before hitting the skids against spin overseas. Some of us thought he was ditched too early.

And I'd argue without him we'd have struggled to win the third CH ODI.

The only other bonafide option was George Worker, who deserved a chance based on domestic numbers...but Brownlie has justified his selection.

As for Tom Latham, I'd be keeping him away from coloured clothing. He's not getting better after 50 ODIs and he could benefit alot from specialising and getting the most from his very promising, yet unfulfilled Test career (and not burning him out by giving him opening batting and keeping duties in ODIs)
 

SteveNZ

International Coach
I agree with Simon Doull for once. For the rest of the series, Brownlie to replace Latham when Guppy returns, and a keeper replaces Neesham, who's bowling is a liability anyway.
Totally agreed on Latham, but to me Neesham needs to play. He's the best 6 in the country at the moment, has the ability to finish and to play the 4 for not much role. Only trouble is they've got a **** bowling coach who to my eyes, has somehow conspired to make Jimmy worse. Get to the point where we can trust Jimmy to bowl middle overs (or at the death, if he can start spearing that action into hard to hit yorkers) then he's totally justifying a spot. There's not a keeper in the country who can come in and bat 6. Maybe Blundell/Seifert/Cleaver can in time but not now, and Ronchi has a fork in him.

Jeepers, hope the guy who's not sold on Brownlie just saw the back foot straight drive.
 
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Zinzan

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Totally agreed on Latham, but to me Neesham needs to play. He's the best 6 in the country at the moment, has the ability to finish and to play the 4 for not much role. Only trouble is they've got a **** bowling coach who to my eyes, has somehow conspired to make Jimmy worse. Get to the point where we can trust Jimmy to bowl middle overs (or at the death, if he can start spearing that action into hard to hit yorkers) then he's totally justifying a spot. There's not a keeper in the country who can come in and bat 6. Maybe Blundell/Seifert/Cleaver can in time but not now, and Ronchi has a fork in him.
So if you agree about Brownlie coming in for Latham when Gup returns, who does the keeper come in for if not Neesham?

Also, when was this time you refer to that we could ever trust Neesh with the white ball? :p
 

straw man

Hall of Fame Member
How is Worker's bowling? I've seen a couple of highlights that didn't look flash, however Doull (iirc) was talking his bowling up during the other match.

Probably a moot point as Guptill will be back soon, though I'm still interested. If Latham is left out and a keeper brought in to bat seven, we'll lose some bowling from whoever is dropped (CDG or Neesham) and so would help if Worker could make up those overs.

Brownlie has been excellent on his return so far though.
 

SeamUp

International Coach
You blokes put the mockers on him !

That is exactly the type of wicket Pretorius looks for in limited overs cricket. Cuts the ball in off the seam beautifully and accurate.
 

Raghav

International Vice-Captain
No live coverage in India.. Shame that nz home matches do not have coverage since espn star stopped bidding rights for them ..!
 

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