**Official** South Africa in England 2012

[marc71178]

Oh? You mean like the first test?

You missed the word consistently? 1 game is not consistent. Heck, even one series isn't consistent when you see their recent record.

 

[MW1304]

Well I feel the same towards England with all the talk pre series from supporters and media. I mean to say South Africa wouldnt even win a single test match was a bit much

Its not the expecting to win, its the lack of humility and sudden 'I told you so' attitude. Obviously these things aren't universal but what I've seen has been ugly. I mean I don't think anyone can doubt that that previous post just had a **** tone.

 

[vic_orthdox]

It was a dead pitch, where the atmospheric conditions allowed some movement only briefly throughout the game. England gave away their wickets throughout the match, South Africa didn't. Producing a dead wicket where grinding is the order of the day did England no favours whatsoever.

Yet before the Test, a lot of people would have argued that they would be more likely to win on such a surface than SA.

 

[Heboric]

You missed the word consistently? 1 game is not consistent. Heck, even one series isn't consistent when you see their recent record.

Well you better hope England win this series ( I still laugh at the excuses that was used all of a sudden when England got white washed against Pakistan) especially what was said before this series had started - And people accuse the Saffers of getting to ****y

 

[marc71178]

Well you better hope England win this series

What relevance would that have to my initial comment?

 

[Heboric]

Its not the expecting to win, its the lack of humility and sudden 'I told you so' attitude. Obviously these things aren't universal but what I've seen has been ugly. I mean I don't think anyone can doubt that that previous post just had a **** tone.

Well I hope you are refering to the arrogance of some on here before the series started and I am not just talking about South Africans

 

[G.I.Joe]

can we wave our dicks if we do it without national bias?

Yes, its called debating.

Masterdebating, actually.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Yet before the Test, a lot of people would have argued that they would be more likely to win on such a surface than SA.

Not if it was a featherbed though. If it was a typical English Test pitch where the pitch is on the slow side but not horribly slow, there's just a little bit of movement if you're a good exponent of your art. Then yes that would favour England. England are very good at finding movement whilst others are straight up and down, as well as controlling movement and being accurate when the conditions are good for swing and seam. England aren't good when you need something completely different, an x-factor, to take wickets. That pitch was dead so you're better off being a random bowler like Imran Tahir because it can surprise the batsman and that's the best chance of getting someone out - the pitch was so slow he got wickets with long hops.

 

[theegyptian]

Well you better hope England win this series ( I still laugh at the excuses that was used all of a sudden when England got white washed against Pakistan) especially what was said before this series had started - And people accuse the Saffers of getting to ****y

Everybody predicts the country that they support are going to win- it's only natural. All Australians thought they would win the ODI series, they didn't. India fans thought they'd beat England last summer. etc etc. When series are reasonably close people are going to show their bias and predict the team they support to win.

 

[Heboric]

Everybody predicts the country that they support are going to win- it's only natural. All Australians thought they would win the ODI series, they didn't. India fans thought they'd beat England last summer. etc etc. When series are reasonably close people are going to show their bias and predict the team they support to win.

I dont have a problem with people supporting there team I think its great (I am from Cape Town - and it makes my blood boil with those SA All Black supporters) , but it was the utmost disregard to the opposition with these wild prediction of whitewashes or 2- 0 scorelines. These kind of predictions makes no sense especially the away form of the Proteas as well as the quality of players. Players from the Proteas were termed poor even though they had better records than some of there English counterparts

 

[Garson007]

Sport fans that only support their national team, on the national circuit, are the pits.

 

[Manee]

Sport fans that only support their national team, on the national circuit, are the pits.

Why?

 

[Arachnodouche]

Yeah, would be daft to root for your opponents? Even if you're the bleeding heart lib, non-hawk type...just doesn't make any sense.

Unless you're a Pak supporter and your team gets into one of their regular incidents.

From my limited exposure to these forums, I'd say only BoyBrumby and fredfer-something are the "balanced" English posters. CWB too, but he's insufferably smug at times. The rest just seem like an offshoot of the barmy army. But hey, at least that pack would remember the not so distant past when England were..well, England.

 

[Plumbinfront]

Morkel just bowled his usual dross and England contrived to gift him several wickets. They were pretty giving towards all the bowlers, but Morkel in particular must have thought it was Christmas come early.

To say Morne has found his 'inner mongrel' after that is pretty ridiculous.

That's just cricket though, isn't it? There'll be days when he bowls absolute beauties with nothing to show for in the wickets column. I see a number of posts that insinuate SA got lucky with wickets with no mention of the balls Steyn bowled that missed the stumps by some ridiculously small margin. I also wonder if the same reasoning can be used for English bowlers with regards to their performances against Australia and India, as a significant number of batsmen fell to rash/impatient/poor shots in these series.

 

[BoyBrumby]

I take it Derek Pringle knows more about Bopara's personal reasons than some as he's slating him in a piece in the Telegraph yesterday.

Pretty damning stuff from Pring.

Andy Flower, who has championed him ever since the two played together at Essex, will also feel badly let down. As one source who knows both men said on Sunday: “Most employers don’t have staff not turning up for work just because there’s a problem at home.”

It's interesting because Derek Raymond is a dyed-in-the-wool Essex man, so one would assume he'd generally be well disposed towards Ravinder. &, obviously, "a source who knows both men" is sometimes journalistic shorthand for what the author thinks himself.

Wonder what Nass will have to say; as Sky's token Essex man he's usually a staunch Bopara supporter/apologist (delete according to bias).

Heard a very strong rumour as to what it is but best not say.

Aw please. Can't you just post something randomly nameless and non-potentially-litigious?

Agreed. Massive prick tease.

 

[theegyptian]

meh, hardly a blistering attack on Bopara. Seems to be just a general fluff piece saying nothing we didn't know or couldn't really guess ourselves.

Given England seem to have already had endless patience with Bopara I wouldn't be surprised if he gets another chance in the future, although it would be no bad thing if they did close the door on him.

 

[Viscount Tom]

Suppose him getting another chance is dependant on how Taylor does really although his reasons for withdrawl from the squad might stop that regardless that said its probably best not to speculate.

Hope Taylor does well but his form's a bit of a worry.

 

[Scaly piscine]

I'm still trying to remember who it was who mysteriously wasn't picked for 'personal reasons' in a similar situation to Bopara in the past. I guess Trescothick and Yardy may have been in that situation but I think there was someone else and given I can't remember they probably didn't play much after that incident.

 

[wpdavid]

I'm still trying to remember who it was who mysteriously wasn't picked for 'personal reasons' in a similar situation to Bopara in the past. I guess Trescothick and Yardy may have been in that situation but I think there was someone else and given I can't remember they probably didn't play much after that incident.

Boycott springs to mind.

 

[fredfertang]

I'm still trying to remember who it was who mysteriously wasn't picked for 'personal reasons' in a similar situation to Bopara in the past. I guess Trescothick and Yardy may have been in that situation but I think there was someone else and given I can't remember they probably didn't play much after that incident.

Happened at the height of Graham Thorpe's matrimonial strife iirc