*Official* Second Test (Lord's, London) 28 June–2 July

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Just my regular reminder that McCullum did two dodgy run outs. Both against batting powerhouses - namely Muralitharan but also Chris Mpofu. I hated it then as I hate this now.

 

[Shady Slim]

People are incredibly ingenious/sneaky when they put their minds to exploiting some little grey area. Dummy the throw, or get first slip to move in front of the keeper before taking the ball so they can plausibly claim the ball is still in play, or station a very straight silly mid-on and throw the ball back to the bowler via them so as to claim the same thing. I'm sure Stuart Broad is furiously working up plans right now.

Though the most likely thing is that nothing really changes and it's all just chalked up to history after many pages of ink and computer electrons have been spilled.

which is why this whole brouhaha is such a joke when it comes to carey's situation - he didn't do any of that. can see why had he done something like that it would be fair to argue about sportsmanship etc, because that would be exploiting the grey area. but no such ambiguity here!

 

[Burgey]

I think Aus finally cottoned onto something after lunch when they went slower, fuller and wider of off stump to Stokes. Took them long enough though. And definitely over did the bouncers to Duckett early on. Can understand it once he's in, but he seriously looks a massive candidate to nick off to gully. Bowl it there ffs.

 

[Bahnz]

Yeah, Australia eventually adapted pretty well. Another 20 minutes of the pre/post lunch madness would've left England close enough to consider doing it normally. I do still think Stokes missed a trick by not adapting his plans. 72 needed to win with a set batsman at the crease and 4 wickets in the bank is not a lot. If he gets half of them that means he only needs an average of 9 from the other 4. Maybe his knee was too buggered to go for quick 2's, but with all the fielders back on the boundary I was astonished that he didn't at least try it. If it'd worked it would've had the added benefit of forcing Cummins to bring fielders in, thereby opening more gaps for boundaries.

 

[KungFu_Kallis]

Underrated stat: 74 Extras conceded by England at Lord's. Margin of defeat 43 runs. Jonny my boy - you need to cut back a bit.

 

[TheJediBrah]

It’s diverting attention

one might even say that's why such a big deal is being made of it. Something to blame

 

[Croadymeister]

This scoreline flatters Australia but England haven't played the big moments well enough. Strauss absolutely nailed it when we said England haven't kept Australia down when they had the chances in both tests. The brutal truth is there was too much pressure on Duckett & Stokes in that case,blame is firmly with the clowns for reducing us to 45-4.

Regarding the Bairstow dismissal he was dozy and within the laws it's out,however didn't feel it was within the spirit of the game

 

[TheJediBrah]

Five quick hits — Bairstow's stumping against the 'spirit of the game' and Khawaja confronts Lord's members

The final day of the second Ashes Test at Lord's is filled with drama thanks to Ben Stokes, a rarely seen stumping of Jonny Bairstow and "disappointing" abuse from the Lord's members. Here are five big moments from a dramatic finale.

www.abc.net.au

Interesting in the ABC video on this, watching Glenn McGrath who couldn't have possibly have poured more outrage into the Starc non-catch, leaning back nonchalantly and almost laughing dismissively through the Bairstow one, not caring a jot. I love Glenn McGrath but that is feeble. Such a big opinion when it's his side harmed, but not at all worried or interested in analysing when they benefit. Lame.

McGrath overreacted to the Starc catch a bit for sure but otherwise what's the issue? Why would he be "worried" with Bairstow's dismissal which was simply out?

 

[jcas0167]

Do you think Australia should have given Bairstow a warning? and then attempted the stumping?

That's the argument with situations like that and for a long time with the 'Mankad'. Although, in the Mankad situation the batter is trying to get an unfair advantage by getting a head start so there's less justification for a warning than in this scenario.

 

[Bahnz]

This scoreline flatters Australia but England haven't played the big moments well enough. Strauss absolutely nailed it when we said England haven't kept Australia down when they had the chances in both tests. The brutal truth is there was too much pressure on Duckett & Stokes in that case,blame is firmly with the clowns for reducing us to 45-4.

Regarding the Bairstow dismissal he was dozy and within the laws it's out,however didn't feel it was within the spirit of the game

Tbf to the English top order, they didn't really do that much wrong in the 2nd dig. Crawley got strangled which sucks but happens from time to time. The rest got a serious of absolutely brilliant deliveries from Starc and Cummins.

 

[Anthony Clayden]

Carey with 5 stumpings is only 1 behind the Ashes in England record o 6 by Bert Oldfield in 1934, with 3 tests top go and Bazball often including advancing down the pitch, great chance for the record...

 

[Adders]

I get this view. But the spirit of the game is what differentiates cricket from other sport. Yeah, I get ultimately it's all about the winning, but cricket played in the right way - for me - is far superior than the bollocks from Carey today. And I'll happily be accused of being a dinosaur for holding this view. I can't abide football for all the underhand nonsense that goes on within the 'laws' of that particular sport. It's ugly.

This is utter garbage and just represents exactly what is wrong with cricket!! It's elitist bollocks mate and is probably a large part of why working class kids in Eng have little to no interest in the game.

Spirit of cricket be ****ed.....its a highly competitive sport like many others......the stakes are high, players careers and reputations are defined by performance and results. It hate with a passion the term "spirit of cricket"......its mythical rubbish and always has been back to the days of WG Grace replacing the bails!!

Absolutely nothing wrong at all with YJB wicket......nothing wrong with Broad coming out with the shits and stirring up the crowd.......was terrific theatre. Absolutely everything wrong with those ***** in the long room abusing the Aussies walking back in........but what can you expect from that revolting class of self righteous *****.

 

[Daemon]

This is utter garbage and just represents exactly what is wrong with cricket!! It's elitist bollocks mate and is probably a large part of why working class kids in Eng have little to no interest in the game.

Spirit of cricket be ****ed.....its a highly competitive sport like many others......the stakes are high, players careers and reputations are defined by performance and results. It hate with a passion the term "spirit of cricket"......its mythical rubbish and always has been back to the days of WG Grace replacing the bails!!

Absolutely nothing wrong at all with YJB wicket......nothing wrong with Broad coming out with the ****s and stirring up the crowd.......was terrific theatre. Absolutely everything wrong with those ****s in the long room abusing the Aussies walking back in........but what can you expect from that revolting class of self righteous ****s.

Australia’s best in class cheating culture appears to have changed our Adders

 

[Son Of Coco]

Jonny already tried this earlier here is one attempt

http://imgur.com/a/JAcQyod

It was as good an attempt as I expected.

 

[social]

I see some Aussies here are defending it. I guess I’d be doing the same if the roles were reversed, but deep down I’d know that it’s the wrong way to play the game.

C’mon mate

I posted at the time that it was amateur hour stuff from Bairstow and that’s what it was

Keepers have been having a shy at the stumps forever and the only reason why it’s a rare form of dismissal is that most batsmen don’t wander out of their ground without checking that the ball is dead

What’s more, I guarantee that every single one of those MCC members has played in a game where it’s happened & none of them would have objected to the attempt at the time

 

[Spikey]

It's like the shocked pikachu meme. A keeper has a shot and misses, everyone says oh smart thinking, the batter should be careful, the keeper actually hits and people qre shocked

 

[Prince EWS]

Just my regular reminder that McCullum did two dodgy run outs. Both against batting powerhouses - namely Muralitharan but also Chris Mpofu. I hated it then as I hate this now.

It also pisses me off that he made a point of apologising to Murali and Sanga years later when it was brought up but was quite happy to bury the Mpofu incident at the time, making no mention of it even though it was exactly the same thing.

 

[Spark]

I think Aus finally cottoned onto something after lunch when they went slower, fuller and wider of off stump to Stokes. Took them long enough though. And definitely over did the bouncers to Duckett early on. Can understand it once he's in, but he seriously looks a massive candidate to nick off to gully. Bowl it there ffs.

Cummins said that that whole plan came about from that little conference between him, Smith, Warner and Khawaja about 45 mins post lunch. Next over Green bowled that maiden and it was either hammered in at the ribs or wide yorkers, it was clearly a complete change of plan. It was smart cricket imo, which was a very welcome change after the mindlessness of the previous hour

 

[GIMH]

Pat Cummins is a ****, pass it on

 

[Son Of Coco]

This is utter garbage and just represents exactly what is wrong with cricket!! It's elitist bollocks mate and is probably a large part of why working class kids in Eng have little to no interest in the game.

Spirit of cricket be ****ed.....its a highly competitive sport like many others......the stakes are high, players careers and reputations are defined by performance and results. It hate with a passion the term "spirit of cricket"......its mythical rubbish and always has been back to the days of WG Grace replacing the bails!!

Absolutely nothing wrong at all with YJB wicket......nothing wrong with Broad coming out with the ****s and stirring up the crowd.......was terrific theatre. Absolutely everything wrong with those ****s in the long room abusing the Aussies walking back in........but what can you expect from that revolting class of self righteous ****s.

I think he was out of his crease a fair amount in his innings so probably not

You can see he's in the crease in that clip.