*Official* Second Test (Lord's, London) 28 June–2 July

[Bahnz]

No, the important thing is that Stuart Broad is going to appeal for handled ball when Warner throws it back to him next test, and I am here for it

Hah, this is totally happening, the umpire will have no choice but to give the batsman out, and then Stokes will make a huge deal out of his own magnanimous withdrawal of the appeal. England fans will feel the warm glow of the knowledge that they've saved test cricket, until it fades and congeals into disappointment as Australia go on to win the match by 200 runs.

 

[SteveNZ]

Isn't part of the skill of batting the requirement to maintain concentration, was Bairstow, by switching off so quickly after the ball was passed him, reducing the need to concentrate whilst the ball is live?
If Carey was standing up, would people still see it as morally wrong?

I love a hypothetical but that doesn't happen if Carey is standing up. You see Bairstow mentally switched in enough to 'scratch his guard' before he takes off. You can see in his own mind, that's him concentrating enough to sign off there. He didn't fully wander. If Carey was up, no chance he does it. But OK, if he is up, and Bairstow scratches his guard, heads off and Carey takes the bails off, absolutely it is still seen by some as morally wrong. No doubt.

Was what Bairstow did dozy? Yes. But did it reach the critical level of doziness necessary to make it deserved? I think it falls just short imo. The classic example of doziness-deserved-dismissal was that run out in the UAE where the batters hit the ball in the direction of the boundary, just assumed it was a 4, wandered down for a mid-pitch chat and got run out. This falls short of that standard imo.

I agree with this. As I said above, the scratch off eliminates some level of doziness as well. Ian Bell was lucky to be reprieved all those years ago for the same reason as you say above - at least Bairstow was in his crease for a period of time. Bell nor those batsmen you mentioned weren't.

I don't blame Australia for upholding the appeal, I can see why England feel aggrieved, and to me the blame is solely on the MCC, their laws and the indeterminate 'spirit of cricket' rules. Which is hilariously ironic given the people carrying on the most were MCC members.

And on that, here are some excerpts from the Spirit of Cricket page on the MCC website:

Accept the umpire’s decision.
Show self-discipline, even when things go against you.
Thank the officials and your opposition at the end of the match, whatever the result.
Respect your captain, team-mates, opponents and the authority of the umpires.

 

[Anthony Clayden]

Murphy's batting, I think he appeared slightly better than Lyon in their partnership in India, well he has more shots, was supposedly reasonable as a junior, likely long term average around 16 to 18...

 

[straw man]

Literally wait til the keeper throws it to first slip. Or 0.4 of a second

People are incredibly ingenious/sneaky when they put their minds to exploiting some little grey area. Dummy the throw, or get first slip to move in front of the keeper before taking the ball so they can plausibly claim the ball is still in play, or station a very straight silly mid-on and throw the ball back to the bowler via them so as to claim the same thing. I'm sure Stuart Broad is furiously working up plans right now.

Though the most likely thing is that nothing really changes and it's all just chalked up to history after many pages of ink and computer electrons have been spilled.

 

[straw man]

i would like to see some actual evidence for it compared to Bairstow’s actions. people said the same **** when the mankads happened that every batsman was doing it as strawman and it turned out many didn’t

I'm making an assumption of course, we'd need a broadcaster to spy out every opportunity and package it up - someone get SuperSport SA onto it.

 

[Bahnz]

Thinking of really daft scenarios, if a batsman inside edged a ball in such a way that it got wedged in their pad, could the batsmen then run all the way to the boundary rope (dodging scrambling fielders the whole way) to score 6 runs?

 

[MRNC5.0]

I'm really bemused at the angst from the England camp over that dismissal. Bairstow attempts the same tactic all the time when he's keeping. And for McCullum to crack the sads over it is unprofressional and just shows he's starting to crack. Bairstow like Starc yesterday had a brainfade or doesn't know the rules, and would be better off accepting that than crying foul. England won the toss, had the better of the conditions and Australia were down arguably their most important bowler. They should be angry with themselves.

 

[woodleigh]

Bairstow doing the same thing a couple of days beforehand and Baz doing it to the Poms in the past.

Bairstow, McCullum doing the same thing

 

[Bahnz]

I'm making an assumption of course, we'd need a broadcaster to spy out every opportunity and package it up - someone get SuperSport SA onto it.

I reckon they'd be too busy perving on hot girls in the crowd.

 

[straw man]

I reckon they'd be too busy perving on hot girls in the crowd.

it's England

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

Thinking of really daft scenarios, if a batsman inside edged a ball in such a way that it got wedged in their pad, could the batsmen then run all the way to the boundary rope (dodging scrambling fielders the whole way) to score 6 runs?

Yes, in fact that they should be practicing this shot right now. On the other hand the fielders are well within their right to grab the ball out of the pad and dismissing them out caught.

 

[Bahnz]

Bairstow doing the exact same thing a couple of days beforehand and Baz doing it to the Poms in the past.

Bairstow, McCullum doing the same thing

Slightly different in Marnus' case. He's deliberately standing outside his crease to try and counter the swing from Jimmy. That's fair game imo.

That McCullum one though is EXACTLY the same. So good. Worth remembering that this was the era when New Zealand routinely won the spirit of cricket award every year.

 

[Bahnz]

Yes, in fact that they should be practicing this shot right now. On the other hand the fielders are well within their right to grab the ball out of the pad and dismissing them out caught.

Yeah, a cricket match suddenly metamorphosising into a rugby game would be brilliant.

 

[Anthony Clayden]

Do you think Australia should have given Bairstow a warning? and then attempted the stumping?

 

[DriveClub]

Bairstow doing the exact same thing a couple of days beforehand and Baz doing it to the Poms in the past.

Bairstow, McCullum doing the same thing

Hahaha what a hypocrite mccullum the little hobbit

 

[Starfighter]

No, the important thing is that Stuart Broad is going to appeal for handled ball when Warner throws it back to him next test, and I am here for it

If it happens he deserves it anyway. Never understood why some players are so keen to help the opposition field.

 

[Burgey]

Worth remembering that this was the era when New Zealand routinely won the spirit of cricket award every year.

I expect us to win it this year tbh.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Thinking of really daft scenarios, if a batsman inside edged a ball in such a way that it got wedged in their pad, could the batsmen then run all the way to the boundary rope (dodging scrambling fielders the whole way) to score 6 runs?

Or if that's too hard they could dodge the keeper and drop the ball on the helmet to get 5.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

I expect us to win it this year tbh.

Vettori's influence (just don't mention the send off we gave Faf in the 2011 WC).

 

[NotMcKenzie]

Judging from the highlights, our bowlers aren't exactly quick thinkers when it comes to seeing what deliveries the batsman prefers scoring off.

A pitch map of the whole test would be interesting.