*Official* Second Test (Lord's, London) 28 June–2 July

[Coronis]

Damn Ashes is between Australia vs England+NZ these days

If you can’t win the WC, join em?

 

[SteveNZ]

Nah as you can see in this thread I'm absolutely fine with the Bairstow stumping but there's definitely a massive difference between that and not walking, which happens multiple times every game. You might as well condemn him for appealing when he doesn't think it's out - just a nonsense comparison.

Fair enough. I guess my issue was the outrageous insinuation that it was the worst thing he'd ever seen on a cricket field.

 

[duffer]

Nah as you can see in this thread I'm absolutely fine with the Bairstow stumping but there's definitely a massive difference between that and not walking, which happens multiple times every game. You might as well condemn him for appealing when he doesn't think it's out - just a nonsense comparison.

Not walking on a fine edge to the keeper is waaay different to what Broad did though. That was akin to hitting it down mid on's throat and standing there. Stupidity in the main, imo

 

[SteveNZ]

Damn Ashes is between Australia vs England+NZ these days

Is this a suggestion that NZ fans can't have an opinion on the Ashes?

 

[Prince EWS]

Not walking on a fine edge to the keeper is waaay different to what Broad did though.

Totally disagree. If anything I reckon only walking when you think it's semi-obvious but standing there when you think you might get away with it is more of a duplicitous **** act.

That was akin to hitting it down mid on's throat and standing there. Stupidity in the main, imo

That'd only be stupid because it'd have 0% chance of working and just waste everyone's time. As is evident from what happened on that occassion, it obviously did have a chance of working - umpire thought it just came off the keeper's glove/thigh.

 

[Prince EWS]

Fair enough. I guess my issue was the outrageous insinuation that it was the worst thing he'd ever seen on a cricket field.

Yeah that was dumb but I don't think it was hypocritical.

I'm definitely okay with the dismissal but it's definitely closer to 'worst thing I've ever seen on a cricket field' than what Broad did which, on a moral level, happens every game.

 

[ataraxia]

Well that was fun. Stokes absolutely hammering it before lunch was particularly incredible, but I'm with Ponting – once they stopped bowling the same ball every ****ing time it became a lot more difficult to score. And then what happened was that whenever he did manage to smoke one it just went straight to the fielder. The momentum was killed.

That Starc drop was fantastic – no, not that one. He had practiced the exact same leaden-footed side-on boundary grab before the game, and completely messed it up here. God knows. One of the worst test sixes of all time.

Extremely disappointed it didn't turn out to be the true Headingley remake, but man what a finish even if it wasn't very close in the end. It wasn't Bazball – it was just Stokes-smashing-the-leather-off-the-ball. Personally can't wait to see the inevitable – England learn from their mistakes (i.e., getting out) and bounce back to regain the Ashes.

 

[Bahnz]

The video didnt show Marnus standing out of his crease!

The difference between the Bairstow stumping and the attempted Marnus stumping is that Bairstow was dozy and Carey was sharpe verse Marnus was alert and Bairstow was inaccurate.

Dude, Marnus's only movement from his starting stance is to jerk his foot backwards into his crease when he realised what Bairstow was doing.

 

[Gnske]

I really hope the England players, management and supporters keep telling themselves this.

England has won both tosses; batted and bowled in far more favorable conditions; played against ten men for over three days in this test and are 2-0 down. But the scoreline flatters Australia.

What planet are you people on?

What do you expect from a people that think a dentist is a fake job invented as a plot tool for Little Shop of Horrors

 

[Spark]

Dude, Marnus's only movement from his starting stance is to jerk his foot backwards into his crease when he realised what Bairstow was doing.

Which is quite literally all Bairstow needed to do as well.

 

[Prince EWS]

Is this a suggestion that NZ fans can't have an opinion on the Ashes?

I took it as a Stokes/McCullum reference.

 

[Bahnz]

Which is quite literally all Bairstow needed to do as well.

Not my point, was just noting that there's a difference between trying to throw down the stumps to someone who's deliberately standing outside of their crease to negate the swing and doing the same to someone who's being a bit dozy when wandering down the crease to have a chat with his partner at the end of an over.

 

[Anthony Clayden]

Not walking on a fine edge to the keeper is waaay different to what Broad did though. That was akin to hitting it down mid on's throat and standing there. Stupidity in the main, imo

I have no problem with not walking but cannot comprehend calling Broad's large deflection as a fine edge, it went to middle of first slips abdomen (albeit with a possible brush of the keepers gloves)

 

[NZTailender]

England+SA were better at winning the big home Ashes moments than England+NZ, which is kind of ironic.

Makes the Ashes a multi format team tournament IMHO

 

[woodleigh]

The Broad edge thing is so dumb, and anyone who brings it up in this context is just immediately written off as a mouth-breather to me. The vast majority of batsmen don't ****ing walk. It was just a horrible umpiring decision.

Broad has the right to accuse and abuse others of cheating, but allowed to cheat himself because others cheat. Righto then!

 

[Prince EWS]

Broad has the right to accuse and abuse others of cheating, but allowed to cheat himself because others cheat. Righto then!

Not walking definitely isn't cheating.

 

[Spark]

Not my point, was just noting that there's a difference between trying to throw down the stumps to someone who's deliberately standing outside of their crease to negate the swing and doing the same to someone who's being a bit dozy when wandering down the crease to have a chat with his partner at the end of an over.

They're obviously not the same but at some point every single individual incident differs in some way. If you're trying to look for an exactly identical case of something which only happens rarely, then you're going to be looking for a long time. There's obviously similarities in some ways.

 

[woodleigh]

Dude, Marnus's only movement from his starting stance is to jerk his foot backwards into his crease when he realised what Bairstow was doing.

If only Bairstow was as alert and took notice of what Carey was doing dude, they're wouldnt be all this whinging.

 

[woodleigh]

Not walking definitely isn't cheating.

Oh...I guess its in the 'Spirit of the Game' then?

 

[Spark]

Not walking definitely isn't cheating.

It continually boggles the mind that people call things which are entirely within the rules "cheating". Tbf I've been on that saw for a long time, mostly with regards to claimed low catches.