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*Official* Second Test at Trent Bridge

Spark

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Ah right. Yeah actually that's one of the reasons I think England won't be all that unhappy - this deck offers a lot more than Perth did (although England don't quite have a Mitchell Johnson in "I'm going to be unplayable today!" mode - yet). It's not so much that there's lots of life in the pitch, there's lots of life in bits of the pitch. Some parts of pitch are WACA/Gabba-esque in bounce, and some barely go through at all. Makes judgement of what lengths to leave much more difficult on top of the considerable sideways movement off the pitch.
 
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centurymaker

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Disagree massively with this ftr. Seam is much more difficult to control obviously but a ball that seams a lot > a ball that swings a lot, because it's way way way harder to pick.
awta especially when you're playing on the front foot regardless of whether you're attacking or defending.

you have little time to react to it even when you are playing on the back foot tbh
 

centurymaker

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Ah right. Yeah actually that's one of the reasons I think England won't be all that unhappy - this deck offers a lot more than Perth did (although England don't quite have a Mitchell Johnson in "I'm going to be unplayable today!" mode - yet). It's not so much that there's lots of life in the pitch, there's lots of life in bits of the pitch. Some parts of pitch are WACA/Gabba-esque in bounce, and some barely go through at all. Makes judgement of what lengths to leave much more difficult on top of the considerable sideways movement off the pitch.
spot on.
it has got everything. uneven bounce, two paced, seams
there's swing on offer too.

if india prepared an equivalent spinner friendly pitch, they'd get criticized severely...
(reason why they don't prepare those pitches these days)
 

Spark

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spot on.
it has got everything. uneven bounce, two paced, seams
there's swing on offer too.

if india prepared an equivalent spinner friendly pitch, they'd get criticized severely...
(reason why they don't prepare those pitches these days)
Yeah, and we should probably rethink that. Obviously you don't want it turning too much from Day 1 because whilst seaming pitches can improve and become easier for batting and then bring bowlers back in Day 5, spinning pitches just get more and more one sided. But I'd certainly not object to a turner thrown in on a subcontinental tour, that's why it's a subcontinental tour.
 

centurymaker

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Yeah, and we should probably rethink that. Obviously you don't want it turning too much from Day 1 because whilst seaming pitches can improve and become easier for batting and then bring bowlers back in Day 5, spinning pitches just get more and more one sided. But I'd certainly not object to a turner thrown in on a subcontinental tour, that's why it's a subcontinental tour.
3rd Test: India v New Zealand at Nagpur, Nov 20-23, 2010 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

this is the ideal sub-cont pitch.
 

centurymaker

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I've forgotten almost everything about that Test. What was the pitch like?
was perfect for batting on day 1,
day 2: it became a bit two paced and started a take a bit of turn
by the end of day 3 it was spinning quite a bit.

day 4 - dustbowl
 

Spark

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Sounds quite similar to Adelaide last summer, actually. Once Swann was brought on 2nd dig it was pretty obvious that if it landed anywhere near the rough, it would turn, and turn square. And quickly.
 

Stapel

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I'm not so sure 220 is only a couple of runs below par. If Broad can make a fifty, so can Dravid, Sachin & VVS. Day 2 morning session might very well be the session of the match!
 

Spark

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I'm not so sure 220 is only a couple of runs below par. If Broad can make a fifty, so can Dravid, Sachin & VVS. Day 2 morning session might very well be the session of the match!
Broad didn't graft 50 though, he blasted 50 by blowing caution to the wind, on the basis that he was going to get one with his number on it eventually, so A. score as many runs in the meanwhile and B. reduce that possibility by hitting the bowlers off their length. It was actually a fairly typical innings from a tailender - except Broad is much better than your average tailender.
 
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Howe_zat

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I'm not so sure 220 is only a couple of runs below par. If Broad can make a fifty, so can Dravid, Sachin & VVS. Day 2 morning session might very well be the session of the match!
I think everyone agrees it's well below par - I'd say about 40-50 runs - but we're just commenting that 220 keeps us in the game.
 

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Wow, missed most of the days play as was very busy yesterday but looks like a thriller in store again. Low scoring games on a spicy pitch are so much more fun.
 

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I'm not so sure 220 is only a couple of runs below par. If Broad can make a fifty, so can Dravid, Sachin & VVS. Day 2 morning session might very well be the session of the match!
Broad and Swann would have been eaten alive against the Indian bowling in the afternoon session, they were only able to counter because the fast bowlers had been bowling for two straight sessions. If conditions are the same as they were yesterday India should be looking to battle through the first few salvos and cash in when the bowling tires.
 

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Oh dear, was just trying some of the stuff the Indian fans use by saying game over early on in the hope they turn it round. Never mind some people are a bit gullible and dippy.:laugh:
Haha, didn't work out too badly for you. People declaring a match over when it's clearly still alive is a pet hate of mine :dry:.
 

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