honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Again, Matt Hardy said the same thing. you may be right. Bret may be telling the truth, but there is also the chance that he is pulling a Matt Hardy as well.masterblaster said:
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Official Pro-Wrestling Thread (WWE, TNA, ROH etc.)
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Langeveldt
Soutie
Typical nanny state style reaction of our kids will copy whatever they see on TV..shaka said:
Sort out the alcoholic mothers, the absent fathers, the wifebeaters and homebreakers, then maybe start worrying that little johnny might see someone getting hit with a chair on TV..
masterblaster
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Damn right.....Langeveldt said:
masterblaster
International Captain
I know there was a 'favourite wwe superstar' thread back in the day, but still since this thread has picked up again, I'll ask some posters here 'Who's Your Favourite?' or 'Who do you mark out for?'
I'll post mine,
1. Triple H - Whatever you say about him, he's just a superb all round performer. Solid on the microphone, a true ring general and has one of the best personalities in the business, not to mention the awesome enterance music.
2. Christian Cage - I'm a huge fan of this guy, I think he's one of the most underrated and underappreciated guys in the world. The WWE completely screwed up their golden chance with him and an awesome potential feud with John Cena, and now he's going to become a huge star for TNA.
3. Kurt Angle - Whenever I hear his music, I mark out. The guy's a living legend, the stories of him training and torturing his body for 9-10 hours everyday with excercises unimaginable to the human mind, just so he can win the gold medal for the USA is inspiring. He's probably the greatest wrestler that has ever lived. An absolute legend.
4. Eddie Guerrero - Another living legend, from the most famous family in wrestling and arguably the greatest Guerrero ever. So charismatic, such a brilliant performer in the ring and just a brilliant personality. The late Eddie Guerrero will for me be known as one of the greatest ever.
5. Chris Benoit - Like Eddie, he's just unbelievable in the ring, his technique and determination are second to none. Extremely hardworking and the classic matches he has overcome his shortcomings on the microphone. Will go down in history alongside Kurt Angle, Dean Malenko and Eddie Guerrero as possibly the greatest in ring technician ever seen.
Well, that's my list. Who do you guys 'mark out' for?
I'll post mine,
1. Triple H - Whatever you say about him, he's just a superb all round performer. Solid on the microphone, a true ring general and has one of the best personalities in the business, not to mention the awesome enterance music.
2. Christian Cage - I'm a huge fan of this guy, I think he's one of the most underrated and underappreciated guys in the world. The WWE completely screwed up their golden chance with him and an awesome potential feud with John Cena, and now he's going to become a huge star for TNA.
3. Kurt Angle - Whenever I hear his music, I mark out. The guy's a living legend, the stories of him training and torturing his body for 9-10 hours everyday with excercises unimaginable to the human mind, just so he can win the gold medal for the USA is inspiring. He's probably the greatest wrestler that has ever lived. An absolute legend.
4. Eddie Guerrero - Another living legend, from the most famous family in wrestling and arguably the greatest Guerrero ever. So charismatic, such a brilliant performer in the ring and just a brilliant personality. The late Eddie Guerrero will for me be known as one of the greatest ever.
5. Chris Benoit - Like Eddie, he's just unbelievable in the ring, his technique and determination are second to none. Extremely hardworking and the classic matches he has overcome his shortcomings on the microphone. Will go down in history alongside Kurt Angle, Dean Malenko and Eddie Guerrero as possibly the greatest in ring technician ever seen.
Well, that's my list. Who do you guys 'mark out' for?
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
I don't think Bret has too much beef with Vince anymore and I don't think Bret/Shawn is all that dissimilar from Hardy/Edge. In fact, Hardy/Edge is a worser situation than Bret/Shawn, given the event that caused the animosity between the guys happened 8 years ago in the latter case while it happened last year in the former's case.Agent TBY said:
Langeveldt
Soutie
Since Eddie passed away it has to be Rey Mysterio.. A real fans favourite..
Langeveldt
Soutie
What do you guys make of "The Boogeyman?".. He's just arrived on our screens in South Africa.. Seems to freak out the commentators
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Well I agree with almost all of your list, but I think Triple H post his quad injury has been a shadow of himself inside the ring. And he has been forcing himself upon us a little too much for my liking. I certainly didn't enjoy his run with the title last time, when HE was given the title and then only dropped it to HBK for a month. I would have Shawn there because at his prime, not many could match him inside the ring. He could wrestle any style he wanted and he would still make it look good, real good. And with the mike, he is easily one of the best ever. Vince always mentions that HBK never got the credit he deserved for the attitude era, which basically started with DX, the heel DX that HBK led.masterblaster said:
sledger
Spanish_Vicente
my favourites from the last 8 years or so would mostly have to be drawn from the attitude really, as very few who i really thought to be good are still around.
HHH is one who cannot be ignored, very very good wrestler, same goes for Kurt angle. Personally i always liked Kane and to a greater extent X-pac who i felt was underated. Mick foley is another who i rate very highly, his street fight against HHH at royal rumble a couple of years ago remains one of my finer WWF memories. Others who i feel were hugely underated were Rhyno, Test (no laughter please, before he was turned into "my little testicles" or whatever that awful gimmick was he had good ability) and to a greater extent Raven who i saw as a good performer. Having said that its hard to disagree with any of the names in the list put forward by master blaster althouhg not sure about christian cage myself.
HHH is one who cannot be ignored, very very good wrestler, same goes for Kurt angle. Personally i always liked Kane and to a greater extent X-pac who i felt was underated. Mick foley is another who i rate very highly, his street fight against HHH at royal rumble a couple of years ago remains one of my finer WWF memories. Others who i feel were hugely underated were Rhyno, Test (no laughter please, before he was turned into "my little testicles" or whatever that awful gimmick was he had good ability) and to a greater extent Raven who i saw as a good performer. Having said that its hard to disagree with any of the names in the list put forward by master blaster althouhg not sure about christian cage myself.
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Having lived through the whole Bret screwed Bret, no Vince screwed Bret, era, I'd have no sympathy for Bret whatsoever if he made an appearance on WWF television. I can understand him wanting to be involved, since he's such a mark for himself, but if he actually did it, he'd lose any shred of self-respect he had left.honestbharani said:
Langeveldt
Soutie
The Rock, probably the greatest on the mic for me..
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WWF wrestlers I have marked for:masterblaster said:
I was a huge fan of Bret Hart growing up, largely because he was honest and sincere and genuinely believed in what he was doing, and I've felt sympathy for Bret at one point or another, because of the things that happened to him towards the end of his career, but these days I have mixed emotions, as, unfortunately, Bret hasn't been able to deal with those things. He's a strange guy, really, a little bit naive and somewhat self-deluded, but he's had a lot of horrible things happen to him & didn't have the best up-bringing -- not a good business to be born into, not to that father anyway.
I loved Owen Hart, especially after his heel turn against Bret (in '94). Never took the business as seriously as his brother, despite being a far superior wrestler. Owen could do anything that can be done in the ring -- a prodigious talent -- yet he saw the funny side in what they did, with tongue in cheek, almost camp heel performances... And after all, what is the WWF if not melodrama? Didn't have the need, desire or want that his brother had, so fell away in the booking.
The WWF was never the place to see good wrestling, but right before Hogan became big in '84, there were a lot of wrestlers who have, in the past few years, begun to be appreciated critically -- Bob Backlund, Adrian Adonis (before he got fat and took on a gay persona), Don Muraco & Sergeant Slaughter (if you can believe it). Of those guys, Adonis is someone who I'd rank alongside Bret and Owen as the better wrestlers in WWF history, though there have been many talented wrestlers who never had the opportunity to show their wares, simply because the WWF de-emphasises in-ring performance.
I must admit, I still mark out of the old WWF in terms of nostalgia, be it either Bad News Brown accusing Tunney of taking favours from Elizabeth, listening to Bobby Heenan one liners or laughing at how a face Hogan always seemed to act like the heel.
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This looks like the possible RR card this year:
The Rumble has a week card this year, so far....
US Championship
Booker/Orton vs Orlando Jordan
Trips vs Show?
Womens Championship Match
Trish v ????
WWE Championship
John Cena vs Edge(c)
JBL vs Boogeyman
World Heavyweight Championship
MARK HENRY vs Kurt Angle(c)...
Royal Rumble Match
Dunno about you guys, but apart from seeing how Rey and Orton go in the actual Rumble and seeing what The Boogeyman can do in the ring, that card doesn't look worth my money. Will still get it though, the Rumble Match never seems to disappoint me.
*Edddie Guerrero - Apart from the Hitman, no other wreslter has been able to reach out and make a "connection" with me as much as Eddie. What he went through to make it to the top was incredible. Even from a young age he had the pressure of living in the shadows of his father,then his size, style and race all were seeming barriers to becoming a ME star in the US. Then came his battles with addictions. He managed to overcome this and become IMO pound-for-pound the most complete wrestler going around. His versatility as a cheeky babyface or an edearingly evil heel meant he got over and stayed over no matter what. His death shattered me unbelievably and in a selfish kind of way I was angry at Eddie himself for denying us the chance to go wrestle with HBK ( my one "dream match" remaining at the time) , HHH or to see him put on more clinics with the likes of Angle and Benoit. RIP Eddie
*The Rock - Simply the most charismatic of them all. Despite being booed out of buildings in his initial babyface role as Rocky Maivia, the manner in which he transformed himself to the arrogant sum-b*tch heel that we saw in the Nation of Domination. IMO he was the best heel I've ever seen, especially during his stint at the Corporation and less so when he returned as the "sell-out." Hugely underrated in the ring where he was always a solid performer, he was a true all-rounder like Eddie. A lot of people feel his move to Hollywood tarnished his stadning as a wreslter but I disagree. Like Rocky said before he lined up against Austin at Mania X8 "Yes, the Rock is a sell-out, he's sold out this and every Wrestlemania he's ever been in." Damn, straight, along with the other icons in Hogan and Austin no-one could draw like Rocky, no matter what guys like Flair and Trips tell you. They are so far seperated from the others in terms of popularity it's not funny.
His many comedy skits with Hurricane stand out as my favourite ever.
*Kurt Angle - Not too much you could say about this guy except he is simply sensational. Another all-rounder and easily the greatest ever pure-wrestler to set foot into a WWE ring. Unfortunately him and Bret's time in WWE didn't co-incide but that would have been incredible to have witnessed. In the ring, the risks he took despite his neck ( anyone remember the moonsault of the top of the cage, or how he risked paraplegia to put over the still green Lesnar at Mania?) make him one of the toughest around. The guy is worshipped simultaneously in both proffesional and amateur wrestling circles, which has never before and probably will never happen again, he's an absolute freak. People seem to disregard his mic work too which in my opinion is absolutely brilliant. His ability to play the dorky pratt is unrivalled and his comedic skits with Austin and Vince and also his short program with Edge and Christian left me crying with laughter at times. I feel priviledged watching this guy, he will end his career as an all-time great, no doubt about it.
*Shawn Michaels- Might seem a bit bizarre considering how much I loved Bret, but anyone who saw Shawn wrestle in the 90's can't deny this guys class in the ring. As the saying goes, he could put on a classic with a broom and he proved it by putting on very watchable matches with the likes of Diesel and Psycho Sid. Truly outstanding in-ring talent, and as much as he riled people with his politicking (ie burying the likes of Bulldog and killing any cred the European Championship had) I 'd never turn down the opportunity to see him wrestle. As a face he was a bit bland but like honestbhairani said, his work as a heel in DX was top-notch. I truly hated the guy, absolutely sickened watching him on TV. He is just top class as a wrestler, even if his personality remains tarnished by the backstage stuff.
*D'Lo Brown- OKay, this one might be a bit wtf!?!?! for you guys considering the other guys I mentioned, but for some reason I always loved watching D'Lo in action. It was probably his time in the Nation of Domination which was my favourite stable of all time, but it was also his unorthodox style and my fascination with ebonics and black culture at that age which did it for me. Had a great little feud with Ahmed Johnson and was a solid performer in the ring, especially as a tag team wrestler.
Sorry for the long post guys, but hope you enjoy the read
The Rumble has a week card this year, so far....
US Championship
Booker/Orton vs Orlando Jordan
Trips vs Show?
Womens Championship Match
Trish v ????
WWE Championship
John Cena vs Edge(c)
JBL vs Boogeyman
World Heavyweight Championship
MARK HENRY vs Kurt Angle(c)...
Royal Rumble Match
Dunno about you guys, but apart from seeing how Rey and Orton go in the actual Rumble and seeing what The Boogeyman can do in the ring, that card doesn't look worth my money. Will still get it though, the Rumble Match never seems to disappoint me.
I'm a big fan of his work. He's managed to get over really quickly with both adults and especially with kids. I sure as hell hope he can do the biz in the ring though, especially as he's in a program with JBL. I'm not sure if JBL will do the job to him either, so he could have his momentum killed as early as the Rumble.Langeveldt said:
*Bret Hart - Quite simply the greatest ever for me. He was never too flashy in the ring but his ability to make it look "real" was unbelievable. My favourite match of his was one at The Royal Rumble against Razor Ramon. Bret truly made me believe wrestling was real in the ring. Also his persona of being the hero and standing up for good always captivated me. Then as I got older his famous heel turn on fans in the USA showed how if he wanted to he could have made a top line heel in his time too. Untouchable in my opinion, even if he was not a s charismatic as other guys just the whole "realism" that he brought to the table makes him my favouritemasterblaster said:
*Edddie Guerrero - Apart from the Hitman, no other wreslter has been able to reach out and make a "connection" with me as much as Eddie. What he went through to make it to the top was incredible. Even from a young age he had the pressure of living in the shadows of his father,then his size, style and race all were seeming barriers to becoming a ME star in the US. Then came his battles with addictions. He managed to overcome this and become IMO pound-for-pound the most complete wrestler going around. His versatility as a cheeky babyface or an edearingly evil heel meant he got over and stayed over no matter what. His death shattered me unbelievably and in a selfish kind of way I was angry at Eddie himself for denying us the chance to go wrestle with HBK ( my one "dream match" remaining at the time) , HHH or to see him put on more clinics with the likes of Angle and Benoit. RIP Eddie
*The Rock - Simply the most charismatic of them all. Despite being booed out of buildings in his initial babyface role as Rocky Maivia, the manner in which he transformed himself to the arrogant sum-b*tch heel that we saw in the Nation of Domination. IMO he was the best heel I've ever seen, especially during his stint at the Corporation and less so when he returned as the "sell-out." Hugely underrated in the ring where he was always a solid performer, he was a true all-rounder like Eddie. A lot of people feel his move to Hollywood tarnished his stadning as a wreslter but I disagree. Like Rocky said before he lined up against Austin at Mania X8 "Yes, the Rock is a sell-out, he's sold out this and every Wrestlemania he's ever been in." Damn, straight, along with the other icons in Hogan and Austin no-one could draw like Rocky, no matter what guys like Flair and Trips tell you. They are so far seperated from the others in terms of popularity it's not funny.
His many comedy skits with Hurricane stand out as my favourite ever.
*Kurt Angle - Not too much you could say about this guy except he is simply sensational. Another all-rounder and easily the greatest ever pure-wrestler to set foot into a WWE ring. Unfortunately him and Bret's time in WWE didn't co-incide but that would have been incredible to have witnessed. In the ring, the risks he took despite his neck ( anyone remember the moonsault of the top of the cage, or how he risked paraplegia to put over the still green Lesnar at Mania?) make him one of the toughest around. The guy is worshipped simultaneously in both proffesional and amateur wrestling circles, which has never before and probably will never happen again, he's an absolute freak. People seem to disregard his mic work too which in my opinion is absolutely brilliant. His ability to play the dorky pratt is unrivalled and his comedic skits with Austin and Vince and also his short program with Edge and Christian left me crying with laughter at times. I feel priviledged watching this guy, he will end his career as an all-time great, no doubt about it.
*Shawn Michaels- Might seem a bit bizarre considering how much I loved Bret, but anyone who saw Shawn wrestle in the 90's can't deny this guys class in the ring. As the saying goes, he could put on a classic with a broom and he proved it by putting on very watchable matches with the likes of Diesel and Psycho Sid. Truly outstanding in-ring talent, and as much as he riled people with his politicking (ie burying the likes of Bulldog and killing any cred the European Championship had) I 'd never turn down the opportunity to see him wrestle. As a face he was a bit bland but like honestbhairani said, his work as a heel in DX was top-notch. I truly hated the guy, absolutely sickened watching him on TV. He is just top class as a wrestler, even if his personality remains tarnished by the backstage stuff.
*D'Lo Brown- OKay, this one might be a bit wtf!?!?! for you guys considering the other guys I mentioned, but for some reason I always loved watching D'Lo in action. It was probably his time in the Nation of Domination which was my favourite stable of all time, but it was also his unorthodox style and my fascination with ebonics and black culture at that age which did it for me. Had a great little feud with Ahmed Johnson and was a solid performer in the ring, especially as a tag team wrestler.
Sorry for the long post guys, but hope you enjoy the read
Agent TBY
International Captain
From the Smackdown spoilers, it seems that the Kurt Angle face turn is a trainwreck. They didn't have to do anything, really, just let him be the badass that he is.
I think the plan is to have Orton v Booker T for the US Championship.
Also, I think the Rumble is where Mickie James' heel turn is completed.
I think the plan is to have Orton v Booker T for the US Championship.
Also, I think the Rumble is where Mickie James' heel turn is completed.
Buddhmaster
International Captain
My favourite at the moment is Kurt Angle. He's very entertaining, plays every character brilliantly, and always has a great match, no matter who it's against.
Up untill he died, Eddie was my favourite, for the same reasons as Angle is now. I didn't watch wrestling through 2003 and 2004, and before that, Stone Cold was always my favourite.
Up untill he died, Eddie was my favourite, for the same reasons as Angle is now. I didn't watch wrestling through 2003 and 2004, and before that, Stone Cold was always my favourite.
ash chaulk
International Captain
I luvd it when cena used to use hes crap rhymes and people would come out dressed like him
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