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Official Pro-Wrestling Thread (WWE, TNA, ROH etc.)

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masterblaster

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Looks like Danielson is defo done with the E. Is now confirmed to appear at various indy shows for the next two months. Sad times, gutted about this. Had really hoped it was a work.

On an unrelated note, TNA have announced a few matches for the Victory Road PPV. This one has caught my eye...will be very interested in seeing how it goes...
I always thought his release was legitimate as storyline of this nature wouldn't really achieve anything. He still could be back in the WWE sometime in the future, but he may end up going to TNA or back to ROH in the future.

He will be wrestling for EVOLVE and Dragon Gate USA in July so he is back on the independent scene. Bryan is far too talented to not be in a major wrestling promotion. If he doesn't go back to WWE, I hope he goes to TNA and gets featured on Impact every week.
 

King Pietersen

International Captain
If it is a legitimate firing I'd hate to see him end up in TNA. They'd only end up completely ruining him. Hogan, Bischoff and Russo controlling a company cannot be good for anyone, especially a guy with as much talent as Danielson. They've already ruined any positive momentum TNA had, have fired some serious talent and pretty much put an early nail in TNA's coffin; I don't see them lasting much longer. The TNA I've seen in the past few months has been dire, got nothing on the TNA I enjoyed from '08 when Foley joined and into '09 with the early days of the MEM storyline. All that has since been ruined though, guess that's what happens when you hire Vince Russo. Hopefully he'll be back in the 'E by the end of the year.
 

masterblaster

International Captain
If it is a legitimate firing I'd hate to see him end up in TNA. They'd only end up completely ruining him. Hogan, Bischoff and Russo controlling a company cannot be good for anyone, especially a guy with as much talent as Danielson. They've already ruined any positive momentum TNA had, have fired some serious talent and pretty much put an early nail in TNA's coffin; I don't see them lasting much longer. The TNA I've seen in the past few months has been dire, got nothing on the TNA I enjoyed from '08 when Foley joined and into '09 with the early days of the MEM storyline. All that has since been ruined though, guess that's what happens when you hire Vince Russo. Hopefully he'll be back in the 'E by the end of the year.
TNA has been dire and has been nowhere near the quality of what it was from 2005 to 2008 and I agree that Hogan and Bischoff have only made it worse. To be honest I think Dixie Carter has a bit of 'buyers remorse' in acquiring the services of Hogan and Bischoff and I think it won't be too long before Hogan and Bischoff disappear.

I don't think TNA could possibly treat Bryan any worse than what WWE did. After 10 years of pro wrestling experience and legitimately being the best technical wrestler in the world, they label him as a Rookie, they make him do lame challenges like drinking soda, duelling with foam sticks and selling magazines to the audience, they job him out to every other rookie and only put him over against Santino and The Miz and then they fire him once he's started to build up momentum and has become over with the fans.

I don't think TNA could do any worse to Bryan Danielson then what WWE has done. Plus TNA have done pretty well with Nigel McGuinness over the past few months. If Bryan Danielson does decide to sign with TNA instead, I think he'll do just fine and a great match up with Kurt Angle would be something that would be what TNA needs.
 

sledger

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If it is a legitimate firing I'd hate to see him end up in TNA. They'd only end up completely ruining him. Hogan, Bischoff and Russo controlling a company cannot be good for anyone, especially a guy with as much talent as Danielson. They've already ruined any positive momentum TNA had, have fired some serious talent and pretty much put an early nail in TNA's coffin; I don't see them lasting much longer. The TNA I've seen in the past few months has been dire, got nothing on the TNA I enjoyed from '08 when Foley joined and into '09 with the early days of the MEM storyline. All that has since been ruined though, guess that's what happens when you hire Vince Russo. Hopefully he'll be back in the 'E by the end of the year.
Blimey, not come across anyone who liked Mick Foley's involvement in TNA. IMO it was absolutely dreadful from start to present. TNA hasn't been any good for a very very long time now, long before Foley joined.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
TNA has been dire and has been nowhere near the quality of what it was from 2005 to 2008 and I agree that Hogan and Bischoff have only made it worse. To be honest I think Dixie Carter has a bit of 'buyers remorse' in acquiring the services of Hogan and Bischoff and I think it won't be too long before Hogan and Bischoff disappear.

I don't think TNA could possibly treat Bryan any worse than what WWE did. After 10 years of pro wrestling experience and legitimately being the best technical wrestler in the world, they label him as a Rookie, they make him do lame challenges like drinking soda, duelling with foam sticks and selling magazines to the audience, they job him out to every other rookie and only put him over against Santino and The Miz and then they fire him once he's started to build up momentum and has become over with the fans.

I don't think TNA could do any worse to Bryan Danielson then what WWE has done. Plus TNA have done pretty well with Nigel McGuinness over the past few months. If Bryan Danielson does decide to sign with TNA instead, I think he'll do just fine and a great match up with Kurt Angle would be something that would be what TNA needs.
I think that is being a little unfair on how the E handled Danielson to be honest. His interview with Matt Striker and his mini feud with Michael Cole put him over pretty strong tbh. Maybe he did not pick up a lot of wins in the ring, but he still got some good air time and put on some good matches with the likes of Chris Jericho. Granted there were some things that could have been done better maybe, but all in all I thought they did a reasonable job.
 

masterblaster

International Captain
I think that is being a little unfair on how the E handled Danielson to be honest. His interview with Matt Striker and his mini feud with Michael Cole put him over pretty strong tbh. Maybe he did not pick up a lot of wins in the ring, but he still got some good air time and put on some good matches with the likes of Chris Jericho. Granted there were some things that could have been done better maybe, but all in all I thought they did a reasonable job.
If he was still with the company I would agree with you. But in hindsight, it was just a big **** up. Makes you wonder how a ROH guy like CM Punk got to keep his ring name from the independents, got to keep his gimmick, got pushed and made it to the main event in the WWE and why other independent stars are renamed, repackaged, buried and subsequently released.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
If he was still with the company I would agree with you. But in hindsight, it was just a big **** up. Makes you wonder how a ROH guy like CM Punk got to keep his ring name from the independents, got to keep his gimmick, got pushed and made it to the main event in the WWE and why other independent stars are renamed, repackaged, buried and subsequently released.
Hmm, fair enough, him not being with the company does perhaps change things somewhat, but as with anything, it is easier to say this in hindsight. A few weeks back we were all saying what a good job they had done.

As for CM Punk and the other independents...well... CM Punk was a name that the WWE is able to trademark, most of the other independent stars perform under their own name which could not be put under copyright or whatever. And to give the WWE their credit, there are a couple of guys who came up through the Indys like Evan Bourne who have been doing very well as of late. And also, a lot of the ones they have released I can see why they did it. Chris Harris for example looked absolutely terrible the few times I saw him in his short ECW stint, was out of shape and was just generally terrible. It's by no means just the WWE who repackage Indy stars with new names etc.. either, just look at TNA and how they have handled Nigel McGuinness, something that has worked out quite ok. Similarly Danielson was clearly going to end up performing under his own name in the WWE, all of the promos and other skits were clearly pointing in this direction.
 

King Pietersen

International Captain
Hmm, fair enough, him not being with the company does perhaps change things somewhat, but as with anything, it is easier to say this in hindsight. A few weeks back we were all saying what a good job they had done.

As for CM Punk and the other independents...well... CM Punk was a name that the WWE is able to trademark, most of the other independent stars perform under their own name which could not be put under copyright or whatever. And to give the WWE their credit, there are a couple of guys who came up through the Indys like Evan Bourne who have been doing very well as of late. And also, a lot of the ones they have released I can see why they did it. Chris Harris for example looked absolutely terrible the few times I saw him in his short ECW stint, was out of shape and was just generally terrible. It's by no means just the WWE who repackage Indy stars with new names etc.. either, just look at TNA and how they have handled Nigel McGuinness, something that has worked out quite ok. Similarly Danielson was clearly going to end up performing under his own name in the WWE, all of the promos and other skits were clearly pointing in this direction.
YouTube - The Definitive Braden Walker 3 Disc DVD Trailer

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masterblaster

International Captain
Hmm, fair enough, him not being with the company does perhaps change things somewhat, but as with anything, it is easier to say this in hindsight. A few weeks back we were all saying what a good job they had done.

As for CM Punk and the other independents...well... CM Punk was a name that the WWE is able to trademark, most of the other independent stars perform under their own name which could not be put under copyright or whatever. And to give the WWE their credit, there are a couple of guys who came up through the Indys like Evan Bourne who have been doing very well as of late. And also, a lot of the ones they have released I can see why they did it. Chris Harris for example looked absolutely terrible the few times I saw him in his short ECW stint, was out of shape and was just generally terrible. It's by no means just the WWE who repackage Indy stars with new names etc.. either, just look at TNA and how they have handled Nigel McGuinness, something that has worked out quite ok. Similarly Danielson was clearly going to end up performing under his own name in the WWE, all of the promos and other skits were clearly pointing in this direction.
Too right, I forgot about Evan Bourne. Granted he hasn't quite made it to the top level in WWE yet but I think with Rey Mysterio probably leaving or retiring soon, it makes sense for Evan Bourne to take that position as the high flying, fan friendly babyface.

I guess with respect to trademarks, CM Punk allowed WWE to trademark his name whereas other talents aren't so willing? I just find the whole premise of renaming somebody's real name and taking away all their marketability and name value to be just laughable.
 
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sledger

Spanish_Vicente
Too right, I forgot about Evan Bourne. Granted he hasn't quite made it to the top level in WWE yet but I think with Rey Mysterio probably leaving or retiring soon, it makes sense for Evan Bourne to take that position as the high flying, fan friendly babyface.

I guess with respect to trademarks, CM Punk allowed WWE to trademark his name whereas other talents aren't so willing? I just find the whole premise of renaming somebody's real name and taking away all their marketability and name value to be just laughable.
Should soon be seeing Dos Caras junior making a TV debut as well I expect, which is something to keep an eye out for.

Yeah, the WWE would definitely have had to get permission from Punk to obtain the trademark, and so yeah perhaps others are unwilling. I'm not a big fan of renaming and repackaging guys in general, particularly let's say if it happens when someone makes a jump from WWE to TNA or vice versa, or back in the old days when someone would have jumped lets say from WCW to the WWF. But in the case of Indys I don't think it is a major deal. I mean, we should remember that most wrestling fans, particularly in the USA are not fans in the same sense that we are (i.e. Internet fans), the majority of people who turn out to live events and watch the shows probably have never even heard of ROH or any of the other Indy promotions, let alone any of the guys who work for them, and so whether or not Evan Bourne is called Evan Bourne or Matt Sydal makes no difference to them, nor his marketing potential. For me it is slightly annoying, but no big deal. These guys can be king of the Indys, but they would be lying if they did not want to make it to the big time, and once they do (if they are lucky) they'll be remembered for their success there, not their time in the lower leagues. In all but exceptional cases anyway.
 

Manee

Cricketer Of The Year
Was procrastinating and just found these few videos of Sting talking about why he didn't go to the WWE, and his thoughts on a few people:

YouTube - STING talk of Vince,Bischoff and more
YouTube - Sting Explains why he didnt go to the WWE
With the last video - The Rock saying the "Who in the blue hell are you?" comment to Booker T, I think it is taken out of context but is also quite important that it typified the weakness of the invasion angle. The Rock wouldn't have got away saying that to anyone if Hogan and Goldberg and even Sting were there. It was just the whole obscurity that you had a bunch of WWE guys and a handful of new people who were so small and insignificant in number that they were took as individuals rather than the stars of this other company.

Hopefully, when TNA dies later this year, WWE can get a TNA invasion angle right, but of course, the main opportunity with the WCW is gone, unfortunately.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Guys, what was the documentary/tv show Kurt Angle was doing after he left WWE.

Can't remember what it was called.
 

masterblaster

International Captain
Just watched WWE Fatal 4 Way. The Daniel Bryan chants were awesome. The Chris Jericho vs Evan Bourne match was the match of the night. It was great to hear the ovation that Chris Jericho received and I think even he was surprised. Average show overall.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Yeah, loved the Jericho match, and his promo beforehand.

There was nothing terrible on the show but nothing to get you out of your seat really. I was stoked to see Rey Rey win the title, he's been in the form of his life since the Jericho feud last year really.

NXT beatdown was good but would have liked a bit more. Bit disappointed that the show was a bit short as well.
 
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