*Official* - Pakistan in New Zealand 2010/2011

[Bahnz]

Oram is fit. Would still have to go for him over Bennett, more economical and experienced. Bennett bowled well at times (and rubbish at others) in this series, but I can't shake the feeling that he'll get murdered if he plays in the WC.

No doubt about what our best XI is, but I think, if anything, this series has confused what our batting order should be. Ah well, all will be revealed soon I suppose.

 

[vcs]

a little off topic on Ahmed Shehzad.

Last summer I was in Pataya Thailand and there I saw an alcohol infused Ahmed Shehzad dragging himself in the night market with two questionable Thai ladies on his two sides, this is all before he has achieved any stardom.According to some reports his attitude makes a young Shoaib Akhtar look like an angel.

Wow what are the odds of you being there at that moment in time. you should have asked Shehzad to share the ganja and one of the ladies

Questionable the key word there IMHO.

 

[vcs]

the box was cracked but then the physio ran out with the cold spray thingy and Shane Bond said at least the replacement box doesn't have to be as big. That's why they were laughing.

 

[TT Boy]

Younis is the team's best batsman on paper.His form hasn't been as good as Misbah's,but he is easily one of the best no.3 batsman in world cricket.Also he's a top drawer fielder and brings a ton of energy in the field.There is no way that he should or could be dropped.

Last 32 ODIs Younis averages 23 and has a SR of 61.44. That’s awful. And he doesn’t bat 3 in ODIs for Pak, so not sure what point you are trying to make there. He isn’t a good limited overs cricketer and never has been.

 

[James]

Last 32 ODIs Younis averages 23 and has a SR of 61.44. That’s awful. And he doesn’t bat 3 in ODIs for Pak, so not sure what point you are trying to make there. He isn’t a good limited overs cricketer and never has been.

A very up and down career, as shown here - Younis Khan - ODI - Batting Average by Year

 

[salman85]

Last 32 ODIs Younis averages 23 and has a SR of 61.44. That’s awful. And he doesn’t bat 3 in ODIs for Pak, so not sure what point you are trying to make there. He isn’t a good limited overs cricketer and never has been.

He doesn't bat 3 in ODIs?

That pretty much sums up how much you know of him.He has only dropped down to 4 in the series againt NZ.He's was glued to the no.3 position for the last 5 years.He is still a natural no.3.

He is a an integral part of our ODI,and has been for a while now.I suggest you start following Pakistan cricket more in order to deduce who should be dropped and who should play,and stop using recent averages and strikerates to defend your point.Particularly when it comes to a player who adds more to the team than just batting.

 

[Prad100w]

He doesn't bat 3 in ODIs?

That pretty much sums up how much you know of him.He has only dropped down to 4 in the series againt NZ.He's was glued to the no.3 position for the last 5 years.He is still a natural no.3.

He is a an integral part of our ODI,and has been for a while now.I suggest you start following Pakistan cricket more in order to deduce who should be dropped and who should play,and stop using recent averages and strikerates to defend your point.Particularly when it comes to a player who adds more to the team than just batting.

To be frank, i agree with the fact that he has been dire in odi's. But the issue is Pakistan need such kind of a player to be in the team in order to compensate with the flamboyant stroke makers. So he and Misbah are an integral part of this side to provide a calming influence. If Younis bats for a good amount of overs invariably the big hitters will have a platform set to launch the final assault in the end overs.

 

[smash84]

To be frank, i agree with the fact that he has been dire in odi's. But the issue is Pakistan need such kind of a player to be in the team in order to compensate with the flamboyant stroke makers. So he and Misbah are an integral part of this side to provide a calming influence. If Younis bats for a good amount of overs invariably the big hitters will have a platform set to launch the final assault in the end overs.

This

 

[TT Boy]

He doesn't bat 3 in ODIs?

That pretty much sums up how much you know of him.He has only dropped down to 4 in the series againt NZ.He's was glued to the no.3 position for the last 5 years.He is still a natural no.3.

He is a an integral part of our ODI,and has been for a while now.I suggest you start following Pakistan cricket more in order to deduce who should be dropped and who should play,and stop using recent averages and strikerates to defend your point.Particularly when it comes to a player who adds more to the team than just batting.

But he doesn't bat there now and even when he did, he wasn't easily one of the best in the world as you suggested. Recent averages and SR? That's almost 3 years worth of data.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

We could have a look at how Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq play by replacing them with Younis and Misbah after the world cup.

 

[lockton2skipper]

thought nathan mcCullum had a good series.

 

[salman85]

But he doesn't bat there now and even when he did, he wasn't easily one of the best in the world as you suggested. Recent averages and SR? That's almost 3 years worth of data.

One series won't change his position.He will be back into that role sooner or later,since Kamran is not a natural no.3.Like i've already mentioned,i won't judge him by the average and SR.He is the backbone of Pakistan's batting order along with Misbah,someone who led the team to a world cup victory which highlights his tactical competence,and one of the best fielders in the side - The notion of dropping him is completley absurd.

We could have a look at how Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq play by replacing them with Younis and Misbah after the world cup.

That will happen eventually.Asad and Azhar will takeover from Misbah and Younis eventually.Whereas Younis would still have 3-4 years left in him,the same can't be said about Misbah.His age plays against him.He could hit an even better run of form than right now,but it would only take a couple of poor performances for his career to end.

 

[Prince EWS]

But he doesn't bat there now and even when he did, he wasn't easily one of the best in the world as you suggested. Recent averages and SR? That's almost 3 years worth of data.

Barring the odd purple patch, Younis has always been **** at one day cricket. It's not really anything new, as you've pointed out. He's like Mahela, really.

That said, Pakistan don't really have anyone else in the squad who I think would do a better job than him as a middle overs accumulator. They've got enough hitters at either end of the batting lineup; what they need from him is consistent runs, even if they come at a meagre rate. Admittedly they aren't getting that but failing the presence of Yousuf, Fawad or Malik in the squad, he's gotta play. I don't think dropping him for Shafiq would be a great idea at this point.

 

[TumTum]

We could have a look at how Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq play by replacing them with Younis and Misbah after the world cup.

Not sure about Ali in limited overs cricket, does he have the shots? It couldn't hurt to try him I suppose and see. Shafiq certainly is suited for this format but he really hasn't made the most of his chances.

 

[Xuhaib]

Not sure about Ali in limited overs cricket, does he have the shots? It couldn't hurt to try him I suppose and see. Shafiq certainly is suited for this format but he really hasn't made the most of his chances.

Azhar has a brilliant List A record better then his FC record though from what I have seen he does hitting rather then accumulating in od's.

 

[Prince EWS]

Azhar has a brilliant List A record better then his FC record though from what I have seen he does hitting rather then accumulating in od's.

He doesn't look like someone adept at rotating the strike, to me. Scores a lot of runs in List A cricket but if I had to guess I'd says he probably justs blasts away hitting fours in the early overs. He's got some nice shots; he just doesn't play them very often in Tests and he doesn't manoeuvre the ball to rotate the strike. I'd figure out his Test boundary % if I could be bothered; I think it'd be a pretty high.

Probably a harsh way to judge the guy; deserves a run after the World Cup. Would've been too random to stick him in now though.

 

[TumTum]

He doesn't look like someone adept at rotating the strike, to me. Scores a lot of runs in List A cricket but if I had to guess I'd says he probably justs blasts away hitting fours in the early overs. He's got some nice shots; he just doesn't play them very often in Tests and he doesn't manoeuvre the ball to rotate the strike. I'd figure out his Test boundary % if I could be bothered; I think it'd be a pretty high.

Probably a harsh way to judge the guy; deserves a run after the World Cup. Would've been too random to stick him in now though.

Most boundaries I have seen him get are from leg glances or to 3rd man, but that was all from last year.

 

[salman85]

Azhar's test boundary % is 47.

I'm talking about 4's here.Azhar ali has only hit 1 six in 19 test outing.Whereas his bounday % is pretty normal,the fact that he has only ever hit 1 six in 19 outings shows his limitations in the shorter format.

His case for a place in the ODI team should be based on his temperament,and his calm head.Seems to be tailor made for tests,but he is exactly the type of player a team like Pakistan would need to hold the innings together as the others around him hit out.Plus with Younis and Misbah nearing the twilight of their careers,it is only a matter of time before Azhar gets a chance in the ODI team.We'll have a very hard time finding a replacement for Yousuf,but with the right exposure,Azhar Ali could be groomed into one.

 

[M0rphin3]

He doesn't look like someone adept at rotating the strike, to me. Scores a lot of runs in List A cricket but if I had to guess I'd says he probably justs blasts away hitting fours in the early overs. He's got some nice shots; he just doesn't play them very often in Tests and he doesn't manoeuvre the ball to rotate the strike. I'd figure out his Test boundary % if I could be bothered; I think it'd be a pretty high.

Probably a harsh way to judge the guy; deserves a run after the World Cup. Would've been too random to stick him in now though.

Yeah AWTA.

 

[Kylez]

Personally think that Azhar Ali is much more talented than Umar Akmal, he's got a much better head on his shoulders, that's for sure. Can see him averaging 45 + with the bat but it's Pakistan so anything could happen unfortunately.