*Official* - Pakistan in New Zealand 2010/2011

[smash84]

true regarding trying different combinations

 

[Mike5181]

Just sad to see NZ slumping to another series defeat, from their prespective the most disappointing thing probably would be that despite having some decent talent in the ranks they have just failed to deliver as a unit.

There has been a clear inability on the part of their players to read into the situation of the game and adapt accordingly, the biggest strength of the New Zealand team over the years has been their ability to click as a team, but atm the roles of certain individuals doesn't seem to clear or maybe some of them are just not upto the roles they have been given.

Hopefully we a redeem ourselves at the world cup because if we were to fail badly and with other sports rising in popularity like Rugby(probable world champions this year), Basketball (good showing in international tournament and leading the NBL), Football (undefeated at world cup), Rugby league (world champions and Warriors set for a strong NRL season again). Cricket may fall to an all time low popularity in NZ with only the loyalists sticking around.

 

[Bahnz]

Just sad to see NZ slumping to another series defeat, from their prespective the most disappointing thing probably would be that despite having some decent talent in the ranks they have just failed to deliver as a unit.

There has been a clear inability on the part of their players to read into the situation of the game and adapt accordingly, the biggest strength of the New Zealand team over the years has been their ability to click as a team, but atm the roles of certain individuals doesn't seem to clear or maybe some of them are just not upto the roles they have been given.

this.

God, I can't believe I'm actually going to say this, but is it too late to bring back John Bracewell? For all his bull**** he at least imbued the ODI side with a discipline and strategic intelligence that is so very obviously missing at the moment.

 

[T-Dub]

I wouldn't be bashing Wright just yet considering the rotation policy is the selectors stupid idea and both Vettori and Wright have mentioned not being that pleased with it.

The heart breaking thing is that this current team is one that I dreamed of having all in one line up for the last couple of years.

If these very same guys gained confidence, they'd have a pretty formidable short format team. On paper we should be a fairly annoying team to come up against and one that given a bit of luck could get even get to a Semi or Final of the WC. I mean, the strongest side they could field would have heavy hitters all the way down to 10, if not 11! Something is seriously wrong in the dressing room.

I liked Taylor's aggressive fields today and I think that the bowling was solid for NZ but they can't rely on the bowlers to absolutely everything..

As usual, when someone in the top order gets out, his partner has to go too just in case the first guy wants to share his feelings in the dressing room. Rotation has blasted cohesion out of the partnerships just when it looked like green shoots were pushing up.

Still, I'm optimistic that NZ will surprise us a bit in the WC. Just get rid of How, he adds nothing.

 

[vcs]

I wouldn't be bashing Wright just yet considering the rotation policy is the selectors stupid idea and both Vettori and Wright have mentioned not being that pleased with it.

The heart breaking thing is that this current team is one that I dreamed of having all in one line up for the last couple of years.

If these very same guys gained confidence, they'd have a pretty formidable short format team. On paper we should be a fairly annoying team to come up against and one that given a bit of luck could get even get to a Semi or Final of the WC. I mean, the strongest side they could field would have heavy hitters all the way down to 10, if not 11! Something is seriously wrong in the dressing room.

I liked Taylor's aggressive fields today and I think that the bowling was solid for NZ but they can't rely on the bowlers to absolutely everything..

As usual, when someone in the top order gets out, his partner has to go too just in case the first guy wants to share his feelings in the dressing room. Rotation has blasted cohesion out of the partnerships just when it looked like green shoots were pushing up.

Still, I'm optimistic that NZ will surprise us a bit in the WC. Just get rid of How, he adds nothing.

Good point, there seems to be no concept of batting in partnerships, and the set batsman being the one to really assume responsibility.

 

[Bahnz]

I don't see why people would complain that New Zealand are rotating.Atleast it shows that they are TRYING.Given,nothing seems to be working,but they are trying differnet combinations to come up with a winning one.It's better than using the same combination time and again and get drummed.

There's not necessarily anything wrong with rotation, it's more the way it's been handled.

For one, you're not going to learn anything new 6 games out from the WC. This close to the main event, New Zealand should've settled on 11 or 12 players and stuck with them like Pakistan have. Even if you lose, at least the team might start to build up a cohesion between players and an understanding of their individual roles. The current bunch look confused and jaded, and it's STILL not evident what our starting lineup come game 1 at the WC will be. Really, that is something that should've been sorted out before the tour to India.

The other thing with rotation is the players they've chosen to play. Barring an injury to Brendon McCullum, Jamie How was never going to play a single game for New Zealand in the World Cup, and yet he's been selected in 4 out of the 5 ODI games in this series so far. Tim Southee, a man who picked up a 5for just a couple of games ago was dropped. Kyle Mills, New Zealand's most experienced and skilled ODI bowler has only played 2 out of 5. Jesse Ryder, who's struggled for runs this season, finally made an electric 50 in the first ODI and was rewarded by being dropped from the next 2 games. Franklin, who was our best player in India, got dropped from the side (apparently on the basis of poor bowling form), and was only reselected because of an injury. I don't care which way you look at it, that is ****ing daffy.

There's been no rhyme or reason to any of it. It's just the selectors madly scrambling around for some magic formula, without actually thinking what the best side is.

 

[Xuhaib]

coming to Pakistan think if Umer can keep maybe its not a bad idea to give the gloves and get an extra bowler in Ajmal or Rehman.Razzaq has been wasted in this series as he's batting too low 7 would be an ideal number for him sure it lengthens the tail but this means the top order will show more responsibility.

 

[Mike5181]

There's not necessarily anything wrong with rotation, it's more the way it's been handled.

For one, you're not going to learn anything new 6 games out from the WC. This close to the main event, New Zealand should've settled on 11 or 12 players and stuck with them like Pakistan have. Even if you lose, at least the team might start to build up a cohesion between players and an understanding of their individual roles. The current bunch look confused and jaded, and it's STILL not evident what our starting lineup come game 1 at the WC will be. Really, that is something that should've been sorted out before the tour to India.

The other thing with rotation is the players they've chosen to play. Barring an injury to Brendon McCullum, Jamie How was never going to play a single game for New Zealand in the World Cup, and yet he's been selected in 4 out of the 5 ODI games in this series so far. Tim Southee, a man who picked up a 5for just a couple of games ago was dropped. Kyle Mills, New Zealand's most experienced and skilled ODI bowler has only played 2 out of 5. Jesse Ryder, who's struggled for runs this season, finally made an electric 50 in the first ODI and was rewarded by being dropped from the next 2 games. Franklin, who was our best player in India, got dropped from the side, and was only reselected because of an injury. I don't care which way you look at it, that is ****ing daffy.

There's been no rhyme or reason to any of it. It's just the selectors madly scrambling around for some magic formula, without actually thinking what the best side is.

Someone should kidnap the selectors and force them to play this side for the next ODI.

McCullum
Guptill
Ryder
Taylor
Styris
Franklin
Oram
N McCullum
Vettori
Mills
Southee

With only Bennett considered as well. He has been impressive before today and has actually looked like he was trying his ass off which can't be said for some of the others.

 

[Athlai]

What is our team if we go by the selection process so far?
Going by our last 10 matches
*percentage is MP in last 10

Guptill 100% 307 @ 38.37 SR 87.71
Ryder 30% 55 @ 27.50 SR 161.76
How 80% 90 @ 12.85 SR 53.25.... wtf is going on here
Taylor 100% 240 @ 30 SR 72.94
Styris 100% 227 @ 28.37 SR 73.94
Franklin 70% 265 @ 132.50 SR 89.83
NcCullum 80% 171 @ 34.2 SR 94.47
Oram 40% 27 @ 13.5 SR 103.84
Mills 70% 86 @ 14.33 SR 108.86
Vettori 70% 73 @ 18.25 SR 86.90
Southee 70% 15 @ 15 SR 75

Baz has played 80% and has 114 @ 19 SR 92.68 and Williamson 50% 132 @ 26.4 SR 53.65

 

[smash84]

coming to Pakistan think if Umer can keep maybe its not a bad idea to give the gloves and get an extra bowler in Ajmal or Rehman.Razzaq has been wasted in this series as he's batting too low 7 would be an ideal number for him sure it lengthens the tail but this means the top order will show more responsibility.

umar with the gloves with the gloves is a good idea IMO but the elder khatmal seems to have a strong hold on the team for some reason, even though he has been quite ordinary

 

[NZTailender]

****ing how is a disease. deadset, wtf is happening to our ****ing side We seemed to be on a decent track then it all just derailed like a year or two ago./ ryder baz opening partnership has been the best since astle fleming and it's being toyed with. like wright and i think he's going for more traditional roles but ffs that was decent. ryder is in odd form, or bad luck. run out without facing? **** off.

baz
ryder
guptill
taylor
styris
franky
mcglashawesome
vettori
mills
southee
bennety
tweklve ncakllum

 

[wellAlbidarned]

Fine example of how not to construct a chase right there. Threw away key wickets at the wrong times. Keeping the RRR below 7s should always be a high priority too IMO, they seemed to be assuming we could just blast away in the last 5.

 

[T-Dub]

baz
ryder
guptill
taylor
styris
franky
mcglashawesome
vettori
mills
southee
bennety
tweklve ncakllum

If this team was picked I'd die of relief. I'd think about maybe swapping out McGlashlan for Williamson, getting Baz to keep and stick Williamson at 5, shunting everyone else down one if the track suited Williamson's style but otherwise this is exactly my pick for a team. How and Oram need to bugger off.

 

[_Ed_]

Already unimpressed with John Wright tbh. Had hope before this Pakistan tour.

I don't think he's involved in selection decisions tbf.

I've been at work tonight so didn't see this chase...I'm glad I didn't.

Sounds like a memorable knock from How.

 

[Athlai]

I think we all know that Baz, Ryder, Guptill, Taylor, Styris, Franklin, Vettori, Mills and Southee have to play. Bennett, Oram and NcCullum all really depend on conditions and bowling form. Williamson too if we want to load up on batting.

No one believes that How is going to be in our best ODI top 3, no one at all. Sure it's fine to have him in the team as cover, and to even give him a game in this ODI series to show he is around the team. But why do we keep playing him again and again in this final build up? So that if someone does get injured our backup might be in form? It seems to be doing the reverse! How seems like he has lost all his confidence and I'll be hoping in the world cup we don't get any injuries. Not that it will make much of a difference, Guppy is in good form but still tends to throw his starts away. Ryder is injury prone and has had a bout of bad luck. The bloke can barely string two matches together and finds new and interesting ways to get out that have nothing to do with his own batting. McCullum is now being bounced around the order for seemingly no reason than to have a go at a suggestion that has been floating around for a while. Taylor is in indifferent form but clearly doesn't enjoy batting at 3 in this team.

The bowling is poor but if we avoid getting slapped for 100 runs in the last 10 overs in the world cup we shouldn't disgrace ourselves too much. We're hardly going to roll many teams over barring a Mills/Southee swing fest though. NcCullum, Vettori, Oram and probably even Styris should all come out of the world cup with a run rate of 5 or less which is acceptable. Bennett has actually become a realistic option on the back of his own promising start, it's a start that doesn't really solve all our problems though. He is still raw and still goes for a few but there is promise there. It's a bit of a shame we didn't get him involved with a bit more time before the world cup. Mills is bowling faster and Southee is bowling a fair few more spells that give justice to his talent. No one is in particularly top form though, no one is taking bucketloads of wickets and no one is restricting runs to any extreme extent.

The biggest highlight of this team is James Franklin's batting form. ****ing hell. I'm a huge Jimmy fan but that has to be the saddest bright point of a New Zealand ODI team ever.

 

[M0rphin3]

A lot of credit for losing this match should go to how, imo. Couldn't even middle ****ing half volleys and runrate kept on mounting. Baz could've given a good start in the powerplays with guppy ffs. Is this wright's idea?

 

[_Ed_]

A lot of credit for losing this match should go to how, imo.

Hard to argue with that.

It's a shame. From what I've seen of him this series, he's a shadow of the guy who showered McLean Park with sixes against England in 2008 and looked to have a tremendous future. I think, barring injury in the World Cup, today should have been How's last game in NZ colours for a long time.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

Don't worry guys, I'm sure NZ will bounce back in the world cup, they always bring their A game for important tournaments. Plus you guys have the experience of winning major tournaments unlike South Africa.

The only problem your team is facing at the moment is the throw your wicket away syndrome, which they have caught off Hafiz aka the professor.

At least Pak and NZ fans have one thing in common; both their teams provide a free heart attack service

 

[slowfinger]

**** Zindabad!
Feels good, but strange to know you team had gutso. Bring on the WC.

 

[Bahnz]

Century making is also a big part of the problem. Taylor should cop his fair share of the blame for this. For our best batsman and number 4 (should be number 3) to have not made an ODI hundred since touring Bangladesh in 2008 is awful, especially after he slapped two in his first 15 matches.

Guptill obviously couldn't make a substantial score to save himself, let alone the team. Ryder, like McCullum often gets too carried away to play lasting innings. Styris (for all his guts) appears to have his best days behind him batting wise. Of our top 6, only Franklin has looked like playing important match changing innings in recent times.

With a batting lineup so full of style and so short on substance, it's hardly surprising that they often don't gel as a unit and underperform. They need to spend a few days watching Astle and Fleming's greatest hits to get an idea of how to build an ODI innings.