***Official*** Pakistan in England

[FRAZ]

fraz so far, we have been calm..and you obviously not...

hehehe ..ok

 

[open365]

What this has done is, bring to the attention Hair's clear mission. Its unfortunate that its happened in this way, but I'll tell you what, its clear Pakistan haven't cheated today. Because if any player on that team had tampered with the ball, this wouldn't have occurred.

I disagree, they've cheated the paying fans out of a whole session of cricket.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Calm Calm .. The circumstances too . The same person making visible mistakes ..
Calm my friend calm . Its alright .. Its not just one decision which is the base of a big trouble .. I have discussed it once that "Hair has a problem " . And it is visible . The question is beyond one odd decision . Question is his "Presence" ..

If they had a problem with Hair's mere presence I think very much that a simple protest to the ICC before the test would've been in order.

I'm not defending Hair; I'm 90% sure he was wrong, but to say Pakisatn weren't protesting about this specific umpiring call is just, well, wrong IMHO.

 

[Xuhaib]

Well so what? They're grown men, they should be able to get on with it.

So basically you mean that grown up men are suppose to be different species and they should carry on even if they are unfairly accused.

btw how old are you?

 

[FRAZ]

I disagree, they've cheated the paying fans out of a whole session of cricket.

Since when 13 minutes are considered as whole BIG session

 

[greg]

So I don't know if we can really conclude much as to the status of the game, seeing as the ICC and ECB have yet to decide whether play will continue tomorrow. Which leaves us with two possibilities:

a) the umpires didn't award the match to England (which would bring up the question of why they wouldn't return to the field), or
b) the umpires did award the match to England, but the ICC is prepared to override them "if necessary".

Hmm..... Very, very interesting, either way.

The Pakistani version of the chronology is

1) Pakistan made a "mini-protest" after tea, intending to delay their arrival on the field.
2) As they began to emerge from the dressing room some five minutes late they found the umpires (understandably) already walking off the field
3) The umpires talked to the Pakistan team and issued an ultimatum saying that if they didn't take the field they would forfeit the game.
4) 15 minutes later the umpires walked out again, followed by the England batsman.
5) The Pakistan players (who previously "had no intention of refusing to play") now decided that, having been presented with the ultimatum, that they weren't going to play and failed to emerge from the dressing room. (apart from Kamran Akmal who felt a pressing need to read the News of the World on the balcony without his pads on)
6) The umpires awarded the game to England and left the field
7) The Pakistanis decided that they would play
8) The umpires refused to take the field.

BTW there is a direct analogy that can be made with the 7th Ashes test in Sydney in 70/71. John Snow was manhandled on the boundary and the Australian crowd showered him with beer cans. Illingworth led his team off the field. I don't think you'll find many people who think he was wrong to do so (probably the only difference with this incident). The umpires ordered them back onto the field under threat of forfeit. England re-emerged to win the game.

 

[silentstriker]

Easy, would a proffessional cricket team consisting of adults refuse to play because they don't like the umpires decision?

It wasn't an LBW decision. It was the humiliation of being labeled cheaters, the same label they have had to live with for a decade in England.

Because apparently you do not get it, I will say it again:

It wasn't an LBW decision. It was the humiliation of being labeled cheaters, the same label they have had to live with for a decade in England.

 

[Xuhaib]

I disagree, they've cheated the paying fans out of a whole session of cricket.

The pride and honour of a nation < the price of tickets. Anyways they were ready to play but then Hair wanted to continue this saga.

 

[Tomm NCCC]

This is extraordinary, I mean, Ive never even heard of such a thing, let alone seen it. A horrible day for cricket ruined by a bigot of an umpire.

Come on, the ball has a scratch on it... anything to do with it being hit hundreds of times, hitting boards and even landing somewhere in the stands? Thought so.

As for Pakistan themselves, they went the wromng way about it I think. Yes, I wouldve been ticked off, but they couldve lodged formal complaints to the ICC, Or dealt with it some other way. Locking yourselves in the dressing room, causing mass confusion, doesnt help whatsoever.

is there any point showing up tommorow?

 

[open365]

Since when 13 minutes are considered as whole BIG session

Erm..do you have any clue what you are talking about?

 

[greg]

And Darell Hair does not have a history of getting in to wrong headlines, also their dislike for Hair is clearly justified which you should know if you have witnessed previous Pakistan games that Hait has officiated.

Whether their dislike of Hair is justified or not is irrelevant to the point.

 

[FRAZ]

If they had a problem with Hair's mere presence I think very much that a simple protest to the ICC before the test would've been in order.

I'm not defending Hair; I'm 90% sure he was wrong, but to say Pakisatn weren't protesting about this specific umpiring call is just, well, wrong IMHO.

My friend if you would like to know then let me tell you that " Pakistan did stated in writing about the appointment of Hair before the series " . It cannot be made official but it was stated in urdu newspaper "Daily Khabrain" ..
The leakage of personal letters is considered as the violation of codes of ethics..
Anyways , The the thing realy fueled due to the Hair decision . That is a fact . If want to consider it then fine .
In the past there have been many incidents and it is useless to discuss but Pakistani team never behaved like this .. So you can imagine what is the reason .

 

[open365]

The pride and honour of a nation < the price of tickets. Anyways they were ready to play but then Hair wanted to continue this saga.

Why are all you pakistanis so hung up on so called pride?

I don't see how acitng in the way they did is something to be proud of at all, their actions acheived nothing except making a whole lot of cricket fans very angry.

 

[greg]

But would so much fuss have been made about it? Clearly not. Its likely there would not have been any form of apology, the 5 run penalty still would have stood (i.e they still would have been accused of cheating), and other than categorically denying any such wrongdoing in the media, the issue would have blown off after a while with Hair getting off scott free.

What this has done is, bring to the attention Hair's clear mission. Its unfortunate that its happened in this way, but I'll tell you what, its clear Pakistan haven't cheated today. Because if any player on that team had tampered with the ball, this wouldn't have occurred.

Well if one player (not acting on team orders, and not with the knowledge of the rest of the team) had tampered with the ball they are hardly going to own up, are they? Do you think the Surrey players knew who was responsible for the ball-tampering in their incident earlier in the year?

 

[Xuhaib]

Whether their dislike of Hair is justified or not is irrelevant to the point.

Why is it irrelevant when Hair is in the crust of the issue.

 

[silentstriker]

Why are all you pakistanis so hung up on so called pride?

I don't see how acitng in the way they did is something to be proud of at all, their actions acheived nothing except making a whole lot of cricket fans very angry.

Better than acting shamefully and continuing to play after being labeled cheaters. Pakistan did the only thing they could.

 

[FRAZ]

As for Pakistan themselves, they went the wromng way about it I think.

You know what . Its good and due .. Hair should be removed . ICC should get the picture clear now . This was a great decision by the team . Because it is useless to play under constant pressure of umpiring and under the fear that "you never know if the umpire is going to give this out or not " .
Hair has a problem and please admitt that . He should not be allowed any more PERIOD

 

[Xuhaib]

Why are all you pakistanis so hung up on so called pride?

I don't see how acitng in the way they did is something to be proud of at all, their actions acheived nothing except making a whole lot of cricket fans very angry.

Because by being accused of ball tampering you are being called a cheat and being called a cheat does hurt ones pride.

 

[greg]

Why is it irrelevant when Hair is in the crust of the issue.

It is irrelevant to my point about they being offended by the "horrible" nature of the accusation.

If you read my post, I made clear that this issue was all about Darrell Hair.

 

[Langeveldt]

is there any point showing up tommorow?

No, because according to the letter of the law, England have won the game.. If Pakistan go on to play tomorrow, doesnt it make a bit of a mockery of said laws?