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***Official*** Pakistan in Australia 2023/24

TheJediBrah

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Kraken said:
I know it's not, but that's not the point Qlder raised though

I agree with you tbf, both should be in the side
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I see what you mean. For sure Green's career record looks better but that ignores their relative performances and form (all formats) over the last 6 months
 
Nintendo

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I'de be starting the summer with marsh, but I think there's a few things worth remembering within that.
1.We don't know how fit marsh is to bowl, he's had a freak run of injuries the past few years and could barely bowl after playing a few straight test's in the ashes/at the WC.
2.I don't think marsh is a massively improved red ball bat, relative to what he was before the ashes. If you bowl to him on a good length in general, he's not very good, particularly at middle stump
shows this. In that 100 he got coming back into the test side, england either banged it in short or pitched it really full to him, where he's always been strong. In that same 100 when england actually bowled a good length at the stumps, he got dropped in the 30's/40's once from that length than eventually got out to it in the same way. Given the state of Pak's bowling attack I don't think there magically gonna bowl well to marsh, and he's in the frame of mind where he's going to smash the bad balls away. Still worth noting
3.Green as an allrounder is way better than marsh in home conditions. Green averages 32.5 with the bat and 24 with the ball in home conditions and is a way better bowler than marsh. 135-140 KM/H an hour from 6'8 is a much higher bowling ceiling than marsh's current dibbly dobblers.
 
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Nintendo said:
I'de be starting the summer with marsh, but I think there's a few things worth remembering within that.
1.We don't know how fit marsh is to bowl, he's had a freak run of injuries the past few years and could barely bowl after playing a few straight test's in the ashes/at the WC.
2.I don't think marsh is a massively improved red ball bat, relative to what he was before the ashes. If you bowl to him on a good length in general, he's not very good, particularly at middle stump
shows this. In that 100 he got coming back into the test side, england either banged it in short or pitched it really full to him, where he's always been strong. In that same 100 when england actually bowled a good length at the stumps, he got dropped in the 30's/40's once from that length than eventually got out to it in the same way. Given the state of Pak's bowling attack I don't think there magically gonna bowl well to marsh, and he's in the frame of mind where he's going to smash the bad balls away. Still worth noting
3.Green as an allrounder is way better than marsh in home conditions. Green averages 32.5 with the bat and 24 with the ball in home conditions and is a way better bowler than marsh. 135-140 KM/H an hour from 6'8 is a much higher bowling ceiling than marsh's current dibbly dobblers.
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If you restrict it to only balls on a good length most batsmen would be drastically worse. Not really a convincing measurement tbh
 
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Green is possibly a better player in both departments than his stats may indicate but he needs to change a gear sometime soon.
No good saying in a couple of years there's potential there. Would be good to see him stick his hand up to bowl a bit more.
 
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I also think leaving him out of the side would be good for him in the long run. Make him focus on doing what he needs to do to improve rather than just sticking with him regardless of output. Mitch Marsh coming along right now as competition could end up being something that pushes Green to the next level
 
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If you restrict it to only balls on a good length most batsmen would be drastically worse. Not really a convincing measurement tbh
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Marsh averaged 2 vs length balls at the stumps coming into that 100 and the two serious chances (the drop and dismissal) england created vs him was from that exact type of length. He also still subpar vs good length bowling, whether in the channel or like I said, at the stumps. The difference now is that Marsh is just smashing anything that's full enough or short enough for him to hit. I think Pakistan's bowling attack is rubbish bar shaheen and should feed marsh those balls he can and will try to score off, so i'de pick him over green.
 
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Yeah I'm not sold on MMarsh as even a medium term answer as an A/R but tbf to him he played a blinder in his return test and should probably get first crack here, and as has been noted, hopefully it lifts Green a bit, because he doesn't seem to know whether he's Arthur or Martha in the past 12 months or so at test level.
 
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Well I guess Warner will have an easy time scoring runs against 2 debutant medium pacers and a part-time spinner so no problem being picked for his retirement test
 
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Starfighter

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Surely Wasim was the better pick of the 'fast bowler who bats a bit;. He's a bit quicker and taller and has at least played tests, even if he was awful in them. Jamal is otherwise the same but less experience. And I don't like sacrificing the bowling for the batting is a great idea, but Faheem probably won't do any worse than the likes of Mir anyway.

Either way this is a truly terrible attack on paper.

Actually, now that I think about it, as much as I don't rate Hasan he probably be playing, and he can hold the bat a little too.
 
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