*Official* New Zealand vs India Tests & ODIs

[Anil]

Yet again India leave out AA and lose, can no-one see the connection here?! [/B]

You mean, when India takes AA and loses, it feels better. That's true in a way, we have a readymade victim to dump on when he is there, otherwise, we have to search for one.

 

[marc71178]

All hail AA!

 

[Anil]

All hail AA!

Don't worry, he will be back. Your devotion to AA will be rewarded. He is India's comeback king. He will come back, screw up again, get kicked out, will come back again and so on and.......the saga will continue. Instead of saying you've got to admire the "never say die" attitude of the man, it would be more appropriate to say, you've got to admire the "never say kill" attitude of the cricket board and the team management.

 

[Neil Pickup]

We love him really, honest..

 

[wahindiawah]

The current state of the Indian team is worrying. Someone has to address the batting immediately. The bowling however, is improving.

And to think that someone was of the opinion that Indian bowlers won't make any impression on Kiwi batters!

One however cannot arrive at any conclusion about Indian bowlers/Batters from this match, the pitch was not of international standard and as such the batters were hardly to be blamed for poor performance.

 

[wahindiawah]

Personally I don't like to see 300+ run innings all the time.

It's far too many.

Thats true, but watching a team scoring 300+ is still better than watching team struggling to get to 100!! The pitches in India are hardly good, but the one in NZ right now are awful.

 

[TendulkarMark2]

Flemming/Ganguly on Pitch

Fleming, Ganguly hit out at Eden pitch
Agence France-Presse
Auckland, December 26

Rival skippers Stephen Fleming of New Zealand and Sourav Ganguly of India on Thursday blamed the portable pitch at the Eden Park for a low-scoring match here.


"The pitch was not ideal for a one-day game," Fleming said after his team's three-wicket victory for a 1-0 lead in the seven-match series.

"I don't think the wicket was ok yet. It was very testing. It was two-paced and bowlers will agree to that. The ball will hold a little bit and the low bounce sometimes made it tough. We need some improvement."

Fleming said his team had not asked for seamer-friendly tracks despite winning the two-Test series 2-0 and then the opening one-dayer here.

"I just have one thing to say, that we are not asking for these wickets," he said.

India captain Sourav Ganguly echoed his counterpart's sentiments, saying it was not easy batting on such a track.

"I don't think you will get such a pitch anywhere in the world which did so much," Ganguly said of the wicket which was dropped only last month.

"Not only our batsmen, but also those who have been brought up on such pitches struggled. The pitch here was two-paced. The odd ball kept a bit low and the shot-making was not easy.

Ganguly said the nature of pitches used in Tests and the first one-dayer here could be gauged from the fact that only three batsmen had so far scored half-centuries.

"It is not good for anybody. It gives false confidence to bowlers as well. If you keep producing decks like this you'll have poor scores," said Ganguly.

India's Rahul Dravid and Sachin Tendulkar and New Zealand's Mark Richardson were the only batsmen to pass 50 in the two Tests.

 

[shaka]

I feel that Srinath bowled out of his skin at Eden Park, and was greatly helped by the huge support given to him by the fans. They will need him to continue to fire during the world cup in South Africa.
Both Jacob Oram and Shane Bond have again proved vital for the Black Caps, and hopefully can continue their run over the series and through to the World Cup!

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

And to think that someone was of the opinion that Indian bowlers won't make any impression on Kiwi batters!

One however cannot arrive at any conclusion about Indian bowlers/Batters from this match, the pitch was not of international standard and as such the batters were hardly to be blamed for poor performance.

India have struggled in 6 out of 7 innings plaed in New Zealand, not only in one match on a sub-standard pitch. I'm not saying they can't bat, but they're struggling in NZ.

BTW your not accusing me of saying the Indian bowlers would struggle, are you?

 

[Anil]

Good pitch, bad pitch, all are excuses at best. The fact is that India has been badly outplayed so far in this series in all departments.

 

[anzac]

What are you talking about ? There is never any shortage of runs being scored in ODI matches in India.Just look at the recent India-WI series.

These sub-standard pitches are not helping cricket at all. No one wants to see 100 run innings all the time.

I was referring to the dust bowl spinners paradises that used to be served up as Test wickets - the analogy was of teams touring India & struggling on prepared spinner's tracks, & India touring & struggling on wickets at the opposite end of the scale.

 

[anzac]

Thats true, but watching a team scoring 300+ is still better than watching team struggling to get to 100!! The pitches in India are hardly good, but the one in NZ right now are awful.

while I am disappointed with the pitches at least the game held everyone's attention (even if it was for the wrong reasons) - too often when a big score is made the chasing team folds like they have been in the VB series & the game dies as a competition etc!!!!!

 

[wahindiawah]

while I am disappointed with the pitches at least the game held everyone's attention (even if it was for the wrong reasons) - too often when a big score is made the chasing team folds like they have been in the VB series & the game dies as a competition etc!!!!!

That wasn't the case in most of the matches that were played in the 7 onedayer series between India and WI, nor did it happen in Natwest trophy!!

Both Ganguly and Flemming were of the opinion that if oneday matches were played on pitches like that( the one on which India played against NZ) then the game would certainly die.Infact the spetators in the ground were very dissapointed with the game!

 

[wahindiawah]

Good pitch, bad pitch, all are excuses at best. The fact is that India has been badly outplayed so far in this series in all departments.

I don't think anyone is questioning NZ victory, criticising the poor pitch isn't an excuse, otherwise how would you explain Flemming's criticism??

 

[aussie_beater]

I was referring to the dust bowl spinners paradises that used to be served up as Test wickets - the analogy was of teams touring India & struggling on prepared spinner's tracks, & India touring & struggling on wickets at the opposite end of the scale.

The difference is that, atleast one team makes a decent amount of runs in the Indian pitches, which conclusively proves the other side's ineptness.In this series in NZ, the story is considerably different.

But I fully agree that this should not be used as an excuse by the Indian batting lineup, because if they claim to be in the top wrung, then they have gotta be able to remain there and not fall down with a thud, no matter how hard the wind is blowing.

 

[onemangang]

India have struggled in 6 out of 7 innings plaed in New Zealand, not only in one match on a sub-standard pitch. I'm not saying they can't bat, but they're struggling in NZ.

They surely are struggling in NZ, as are the NZ batters!! The bottom line is that those pitches aren't of international standard.S Fleming said yesterday that those pitches might ensure a series victory to his team in Onedayers but it would be an awful preparation for the WC !

 

[Rik]

The current state of the Indian team is worrying. Someone has to address the batting immediately. The bowling however, is improving.

Or maybe it's just the pitches which are helping the mediocre bowling attack and destroying a lineup which is used to slow low Indian turners or flatbeds?

 

[vandemataram]

Or maybe it's just the pitches which are helping the mediocre bowling attack and destroying a lineup which is used to slow low Indian turners or flatbeds?

As if only one team's batsmen are being effected by the pitches:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I don't think any team's batsmen would have done better on those pitches (with the possible exception of Aus)

 

[V Reddy]

It seems the low scoring has started to effect the crowd also.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3049043&thesection=news&thesubsection=general

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I don't think any team's batsmen would have done better on those pitches (with the possible exception of Aus)

Or SA.